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Hello,

I have a cb. 04' male albino Naja kaouthia. I am planning to get a cb 04' female Naja kaouthia suphanensis and willing to try a hybrid project in the future. I don't know if anyone ever tried this before but as Suphan Cobra is an island form of Monocled Cobra, it should work.

What do you think?

Thanks;
Ciga

Should work but why do it. I always feel people are way to opinionated but I personnaly don't like to mix things up when it comes to intergrades or hybrids. Its like taking a champion bloodline Pit Bull & breeding it to a champion bloodline American Bulldog. The end result = a mutt!! It might be cool to have an Albino Suphan which would prob. look like a red-eyed leucistic but its still not one or the other. I don't know why Suphans & formosas aren't recognized as their own sub-species. They are obviously visually different. If it were any other genus it would have been done by now......

>>Should work but why do it. I always feel people are way to opinionated but I personnaly don't like to mix things up when it comes to intergrades or hybrids. Its like taking a champion bloodline Pit Bull & breeding it to a champion bloodline American Bulldog. The end result = a mutt!! It might be cool to have an Albino Suphan which would prob. look like a red-eyed leucistic but its still not one or the other. I don't know why Suphans & formosas aren't recognized as their own sub-species. They are obviously visually different. If it were any other genus it would have been done by now......

The Suphan at least is basically a colour variant of Naja kaouthia. They are identical in terms of mtDNA sequence, and there are no morphological differences other than coloration. Moreover, you get every imaginable intermediate pattern phase between "typical" kaouthia and "Suphans". We pulished this in 1995:

WÜSTER, W., R.S. THORPE, M.J. COX, P. JINTAKUNE & J. NABHITABHATA (1995) Population systematics of the snake genus Naja (Reptilia: Serpentes: Elapidae) in Indochina: multivariate morphometrics and comparative mitochondrial DNA sequencing (cytochrome oxidase I). Journal of Evolutionary Biology, 8: 493-510.

You can download a PDF of the paper from the link below.

Cheers,

WW
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Thanx for the input - I look forward to the read. I'm amazed it is a locality variation. They seem so much more aggressive.....I have seen pix of a Monocled that resembles the Suphan X Monocled link I posted above & thought it was a hypo.!? May have been just the result of the Suphan cross.

I was wondering when you were going to chime in on this subject
:-D There have been a few threads latly regarding the supposed sub speices split. I would have thrown in my two cents but noone ever listens to me LOL

Thanks for putting that to rest.

Adios mi amigo,
Jeremy

How do formosas fit into the equation?

is now called Taiwan. The only Naja species to come from Taiwan is Naja atra. These so called Formosa's were bred for a long time in the states & are nothing more than a Naja kaouthia from Thailand. Kaouthia vary ALOT, Suphan to normal & everything inbetween. Awsome snakes, but still kaouthia's.
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Chad Bachman

I've had agressive & non agressive individuales of N. kaouthia, N. naja, Naja sputatrix, Naja siamensis, N. sumatrana, Naja nigricollis, N. pallida, N. mossambica, N. melanoleuca, N. nivea, & probably a few more I can't think of right now, so behavior has little to do with what they are IMO.
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Chad Bachman

while trolling the photo gallery - http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.php?photo=82112

Incredible looking animal... I am definately go for it.

This cross has been made in Sweden, and apparently the "suphan" color is a simple recessive trait just like amelanism. So all of your offspring will look normal but be het for "suphan".