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Sorry i should have been more specific on lighting....I am not putting the blue light in the cage it will go in my light socket, in my room...to light the whole room with dim blue light...would that be ok?

My baby burms is great...he is 25" long and very healthy. He is a little nippy but i can tame him down. I already have a fresh supply of f/t food for him so I am all ready to make this one work for me no matter what and make no bad mistakes like last time. I will try to post pics soon. Wish me luck
Jake

Pa: Burmaboy i will ignore your post because it had nothing to do with my post on night lights and shows that you are more immature than me and i eat spaghetti with my face at dinner

I dont normally reply on any postings but i do read them all. My question is didnt you already have a burm before? Looking on previous threads it appears that you have had alot of difficulty with your previous BURM, by the way what happened to it? It just seems odd to me that you would get another burm when you struggled to keep the other one. Just my 4 cents. Hopefully you will have better luck with this one.

"YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME"-DIRK DIGGLER

Yes i had a burm before...i got rid of it because it had internal parasites and stopped eating and I couldnt afford it at the time to cure hgim..But now i have a job and vet so if anything goes wrong with this one...Il be ready. Also He just ate his first mouse today...IKt put a small lump in his body I am not sure if i should feed him one every 5 or 4 days. The lump is not that big? Any input on this?
Jake

My personal very strong thoughts about you getting a second burm aside...
I suspect that using a dim blue bulb on the whole room would have if anything, less of an impact on the snake. Another option is just a traditional night light. Sure it's dim, but as your eyes adjust, it should be sufficient for viewing.
And although physiologically impossible given our ages, were I your mother, you'd use a fork.
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The biggest problem I see with you and you ahving a burm (or any animal for that matter) is that you seem to view them as your playthings. I understand that you are young and that you have little experience, but that does not change the fact that these are animals that are dependant on you to provide for them. you took that responsibility when you purchased the snake. Now one thing that you should know is that young burms are very stressfull animals. It is highly recommended that you place your young burm in its enclosure and cover the enclosure with a towel or something and let the little thing acclimatize to its new surroundings. Leave it alone for a week. Ensure that it has fresh water but other then that do not disturb it. After a week try to feed it. If it feeds great. Then leave it alone for 3 days. After that start one or two short handling sessions a day. As your snake starts getting used to you start increasing the length of time you handle it. Once he gets a little agitated or stressed let it be for a while. If it does bite you do not instantly put it back into its cage. Keep it out and for the next few minutes reestablish its trust. If you immediately put the snake back into its cage then it will learn to associate biting you with getting what it wants, being put back into its cage. You do not want this learned behavior with your snake, especially when it gets bigger. I will try to be helpfull but I must state that I am absolutely horrified to know that you have ignored all our advice and went and got another burm. That is like a big f**k you in my opinion. You show that you honastly care less about what opinions information and experience we have and that you know more then we do and therefore you are gonna do what you want. Well I am sorry to tell you that you do not know more and that you are not able at this time in your life to properly care for that snake. unfortunately it is not you that will suffer for your lack of judgement but the snake. That is why I wil try to offer you what sound advice that I can. And I do not claim to be any expert. I am far from that, however I have had burms for the last 17 years and I do have a lot of knowledge. I learn knew things about them daily. So should you if you are willing to research them. And remember they are not here to entertain you and for you to show off to your little friends. They are a lifelong commitment and it is your responsibility to ensure that the animals are properly taken care of. Todd

Jake,

Wow, you have another burm? wow... I am in shock. I have tried to be a support for you in earlier posts, but alas, it seems I have been mistaken. We have tried to give you solid information in this forum and it seems that you are demonstrating typical adolescent behavior by ignoring solid advice in lieu of what you WANT to do. Since that appears to be the case, I would ask you that you NO LONGER POST TO THIS FORUM, since you are obviousily wasting all of our time here. It makes NO sense to me that you would attempt to engage us for advice here and then ignore what we tell you and do whatever you had already planned to do in the first place.

You tend to ask the same questions, OVER and OVER, again, wasting our time - egging on those who continually "bite" at your insipid remarks to get them to engage with you in a worthless conversation about your maturity and ability to care for a snake. I for one am tired of this game and it is painfully clear that talking to you is a waste of valuable time. I now turn my remarks to the rest of the forum.....

Dear Burmese Python Forum Readers...

I come to you now to discuss my concerns about how we are enabeling Jake to continue his irritating behaviors. I approach this professionally as a mental health therapist specializing in treating teenagers. Here is a little background on adolescents: Most teens are quite insecure about themselves and tend to seek attention where they can find it. In the adolescent mind, any attention, even negative attention is better than no attention at all. Many teens repeat negative and irritating behaviors because they get the desired result - attention. Luckily, most grow out of this phase as adults and end up like us. Some do not grow out of this phase and tend to experience difficulty maintaining solid relationships, continually testing their partners with their behaviors and driving people away.

I see this type of behavior in the posting from Jake. Any mature individual would accept information and run with it, unless information is not their goal. It is clear to me that what we are dealing with is a lonely kid who is seeking attention. He demonstrates this by continually attempting to engage members of this forum in personal attacks and side conversations. He is good at what he does, knowing how to push buttons in us to get his needed attention. It is time that we face the facts.

We must accept the fact that we have no control over this kid. He has proven to us that he will not listen, nor is he interested in getting good advice. He will do whatever he has in mind, regardless of what we tell him. LET IT GO. The more we validate his attention seeking behaviors, the more he will do it. If we ignore him, he will eventually stop posting here. Everytime we become outraged at his lame requests and ideas, and send a fleet of cautionary posts, he wins and gets his attention - further reinforcing his behavior and the result is we lose more of our hair from pulling it out. I am tired of this game and that is why I am posting this information to you all. If you choose to continue to fight a losing battle, it is your freedom to do so. I just wanted to give you some insight into what I see going on. Just let it go and he will stop. remember, nothing we say will change his mind. He has proven that to us over and over. Let it go.

Good luck to you all,

-Marco.

PS - Jake, if you are still reading this, and you are actually looking for information, look in the archives - great info lies therein - and it won't bug others by looking there.

Ok well If you don;t want to wast your time...then i got a good idea...don;t post.....And you say I am lonely and immature...how dare you act like you know me....For your information I did not want to bring this up for more insults but I just had a kid with my gf of 3 years a month ago so I can take a care of my burm....And as for being lonely I now livwe in a 4 bedroom home with my gf my best friend his girl friend and my 2 other friends so trust me most of the time i wish i was lonely....Do not act like you know me because you have no idea who I am or what I do.....And you know what some of you people just make too big a deal of it,....I come here for help>>> i got a burm I will not stop wioth it and if I want one I am going to get one...I do not make it the big desicion of my life....A burm is a pet...not a friend they are pets and they should be well taken care of and brought up...Bit I do not obsess over it and worry about it all the time..and because of that you think i cannot take care of it...Well bufddy guess what...there not that hard to take care of...I had a 9ft boa before and she was a breeze...I doubt a burm will be much harder.....So get your facts straight before you come at me and call me a lonely attention seeking immature kid.

Ok, I will not post anymore on this topic after this but if you had a kid with your girl friend at age 15 then that shows just how irresposible you are? That is terrible. I could realy care less about someones sex life but my gosh. You say they are pets and nothing more?? I am not even goign to make a comment (actually an insult) on that. why would you even bring that up? I know he said you were lonely and stuff but..
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Justin

If I had a child at a young age I would be selling every snake I had because I could not afford it (which is why I did not have a large snake collection when there were things in my life that could be a drastic change like that). I also bet you dont have an extra room in the house to keep a burmese python...Which you MUST have within a year. But since you are now a father you don't need to be taking advise on the internet and you will have enough troubles in the near future to worry about debates on kingsnake. Good luck and I advise you to really think about the decisions you make. You already have the python so lets hope all goes well. Maybe you should admitt you should not have gotten the snake and ask your questions so people will be happy to respond with advise.

I have no further comments to make to you...your immaturity shines through your words and I will not give you the attention you crave so badly!
Dove

It's obvious you think taking care of a burm is not a big deal to you. It had parasites so you got rid of it. What could be easier than that? I hope your baby doesn't get sick. Sounds like you have it nailed though. Raising a child in a home with what sounds like a fraternity more than a family setting. I can already see you in ten years telling your kid "Hey junior! Goin' git daddy anuther beer. Yeah, yukin git wun fer yerself!" Brain Surgeon!
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DZ

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell

I completely agree. A smaller snake would have been a much better choice though. There is a much greater chance he would learn something before it is too late if he got a smaller snake. The idea of "I will do better with this one" is a bit sick in my opinion. He passed on the animal when a problem occured and for some reason he believes there will not be problems with this snake. He used the fact that it had the parasites before he got the snake as an excuse to his actions. I am not sure if Jake understands the person getting the snake is now also dealing with parasites before they aquired the snake. It was a huge mistake to buy this Burmese python. I wonder if he had to have a parent order the snake or if someone actually sold him this animal. I would really like to know the terms of this sale because it is very likely I would not be willing to do business with them. I remember prehistoric pets was mentioned. Please tell me Jake that a parent made this order because they have a very nice yellow anaconda I would like to buy and I will not throw hundreds of dollars their way if they can get it from 15 year old kids I can rescue them from. (Todd, I agree with your post but I do not think the "your little friends" comment was necessary. We know who we are talking to and it will be taken as talking down to him and he will not listen to anything else. The other parts of the harshness is your post were completely necessary). I almost feel bad giving a 15 year old such a hard time but if he plays sports I know he gets worse from coaches.

I am not 15 I am 17 this month.....And i delt with a large snake before...At age 13 i got my first snake..a ball python...had it for 2 years then went to the boa...had it for 1 year and it grew to 9 ft. I got it at 5 ft to start out with. I am doing quite fine and a i can take care of a burm. I know verything there is about them and i know it seems like I do ;t take your advise but I do , it may seem like I don't but before i found this forum I didn;t know too much so I wanna say thank you....But I do take all of your advise...FRor example I just ut the new blue dim light in my room because everyione said it was ok....

Last I saw your were 15. If your birthday is this month I have no idea how you gained 2 years when everyone else is only gaining one. What year are you in school? Last I heard you were a sophomore but I am not keeping track so I could be wrong and have you confused with someone else. So right now you have 1 ball python, 1 boa constrictor, and 1 burmese python. If so I say congrats...if not I ask why the other snakes are gone. I am not trying to slam you here I am trying to make sense out of this and hope you pick up some sense as well. You do not know all there is to know about Burms because I don't know all there is to know about Burms and Rob Carmichael does not know all there is to know about Burms and nobody else in here knows all they need to know about Burms so if this is where you are getting your information...simple logic says you can't have all you need to know. Your Burmese python doesn't even know all there is to know about Burmese pythons. You and your Burm are too young to know enough to know all you need to know about anything. And I don't know all I need to know about how I am going to make my lunch today but I can only hope everything works out ok for me. Hows that for a post : )

Eunictus,
You are absolutely right about what bloodboy said in his previous posts. A month ago he lived at home wiht his mom and dad and was 15. Now all of a sudden he is 17 with a kid, a g/f, and a whole housefull of roommates. Hmmmmm....Kind of funny aging process he has.
And if you have a new baby the last thing you should be thinking about is how to care for a snake. How much money do you think it is going to cost in the lifetime for vet trips and medications and new enclosures and food. That is money that should be set aside for your child. You really need to get your priorities straight. If a month ago you couldn't afford the trip to a vet, just cuz you now have a job doesn't mean you can afford one now. Not with a family to support. I think I am done with you and do not forsee me posting any more support or advice for you. Sorry but I think you are completely unrealistic in your expectations of life and you should really reprioritize your life. Todd

This kid just might be crazy....Jake, I'd say you should find your new burm a BETTER home, save up all that money and take a trip over to plan parenthood becuase you obviously need someone to hold your hand through life and tell you how to do everything. So rather than us all holding hands about your burm, have someone hold you and your new childs hand to ensure your BABY has a good life, get things straight Jake, grow up a little. Or pickup this invention called a book, it does wonders for all of us. Also stop saying you know everything there is to know about burms and talk yourself up like your some kind of expert, it's gunna make me go crazy.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=722229,723902

In the post that I provided above, he referred to himself as "Mike". I think "Jake" falsifies quite a bit.

Stan

np

I really shouldn't comment as I did the same thing at about
your age, BUT since you are open to advice now...

My advice is you're much, much better off with a Ball Python, or
if you really want a challenge a nice Blood Python which will
get just as thick as a Burmese. Do you know how much money it
will cost to feed a Burm compared to a Ball or Blood? A lot
more, the cages you're going to need also will take up a lot
more space.

After just 1 short year, you will have to deal with
a python that is going to tell YOU when he or she can be
handled not the other way around. My advice to anyone especially
someone who isn't financially independant is that Burms are NOT
good pets. There are much better pythons & boas to pick as pets.

It's probably too late though....

Yes i have an aduklt/...Honestly i do not think a 10 - 12 ft burm is that big...and thats an average adult male...they seem a lot bigger when you say huge 12 foot burm...bug really there not big. Feeding bills are nothing....i get rabbits for 10 bucvks a peice....every 2 weeks thats only 20 bucks a month???? A ball python eats a large rat a week as an adult....Thats 5 bucks a week which is 20 a month...same bill. The cage is simply built for about 200 dollars. There not expensive for 1 snake. I only have 1 burm and thats all im getting. I won't over do it. Also I was thinking about gwetting a blood python I like them a lot but i don';t know for some reason I wanted the burm. I think it is amazing how fast they grow and how tame and muscular they get. But in the future when i have a place to my self and a good job and all I will get a blood as well as my burm.

Most my ball pythons eat mediums and when/if they get moved to large they will eat less than once a week. How big is this new Burm you got?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. A 10-12 male burm could kill you just as fast as a 25' retic or anaconda could. YOu have no respect for the size and sheer power of these animals. And just remember that the totally tame and harmless burm can still be having a bad day and all it takes is one little mistake and you become a statistic that all the anti-exotic animal lobbyists can use to stregthen their cause. Todd

But this kid should never have been sold a burm in the first place. It's another example of breeders and pet stores being irresponsible.

I would like to know who sold him the snake

I do not thik he realy cares if we get to keep our hobby alive. He just wants what he wants, regardless of the consiquence (or however you spell it).
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Justin

10'-12' Python not big?? Big enough to kill, to make you another statistic, not that it would be a grieving loss, i would be more sad for what would happen to the snake.