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newbie - kinda lost

mandora Mar 09, 2005 07:28 AM

Hi all,
I've been reading everyones posts and there are so many morphs and names etc that I just can't keep up. Does anyone have a good site where I can research what you guys are all talking about?!
Like, which morphs are from what species?! Are we all talking only about b.c.c. or b.c.i.? or mostly about them?! I'm lost!!
help!

Replies (13)

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 07:49 AM

I do not know of a site. Just do some web searches.

You have the various subspecies, then the phenotypically distinct locales, then morphs and crosses. I made a list one day during biology and came up with 150. Throughout the day I remembered more. So there are quite a significant amount o variation without dwelling into the different genotypes.

mandora Mar 09, 2005 07:53 AM

I've done many websearches, but nothing (that I can find) discusses which morphs belong to which species/subspecies, which are crosses, etc. I've done many hours of websearching, but I can't find anything which discusses the classification of all of the species, relative to each other, and which color morphs/phenotypes came from where.

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 08:24 AM

The basic common ones are:

Colombian Imperator:
Albino (two strains, Kahl/Original and Sharp)
Anerythristic (type I)
Hypomelanistic/Salmon
Motley
Arabesque
Jungle (Swedish line)
Stripe
Pink Patternless (new)
Pastel
Tyrosinase Positive Albino
Then the double traits, the Super or Dominant Hypos, Motleys (Purple patternless), Arabesques, Jungles. Double ressisive: Snow, Ghost, Stripe Albino, Sunglow, Sharp Sunglow, Albino Arabesque, Hypo Arabesque, Jungle Albino, Hypo Jungle, Motley Hypo, (Albino Motley [unsure about this one]), Pastel Albino, Ivory Anery, Pastel (scarlet) Hypo, Pearlescent. Then triples, Sunglow Arabesque, Jungle Sunglow, Stripe Sunglow. I may have missed some.

Nicaraguan:
Tyrosinase Positive Albino (Carmel albino)
Type II Anery
Hypo
Motley
then Ghost, Super Hypo, Super motley (black patternless)

El Salvador:
Blood (this has been bred into Nicaraguan and Colombian morphs)
The crosses are Blood X Type II Anery which gave Pewters.
Then Blood X Salmon, Which gave bloody salmons.

Sonoran:
Leopard (Mephisto)
Hypomelanistic
Super Hypo

Those are all BCI, as well as Costa Ricans, Hog Islands(ther are reduced pattern hogs), Corn Islands, Cay Caulkers, Crawl Cays, Honduran, Cancun, Tarahumara Mt., Roatan Island (Fire Bellies).

Then BCC,
Peruvian (Pucalpa and Iquitos locales)
Surinam
Guyanan
French Guianan
Trinidad
Venezuela
North Brazilian

B.c.amarali:
Bolivian (Silverback, Blonde, Purple, Orange Crush)
South Brazilian (Stripes)

Then Argentine boas (T positive Albino and Motley also Motley T Positive albino), B.c.sabogae or Pearl Island boas, Orophias or St. Lucian, Nebulosa or Clouded boa from Dominica, Melanogaster from Ecuador, Ortoni Peruvian, and Longicauda the Northwest Peruvian Long-tails (there is an Anerythristic)

The crosses:
Hog Isle X Colombian (includes hypos)
Argentine X Colombian (also Albino and salmon)
Surinam X Colombian (also Albino)
Peruvian X Colombian
Surinam X Hog Island
Peruvian X Hog Island
Cancun X Nicaraguan
Nicaraguan X Colombian

And everything else existing in nature, private collections, or that I FORGOT!

Okay that was a lot, I hope people read it.

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 08:29 AM

Guyana X Colombia
Colombia X Amarali (I do remember someone selling one of these last year)
Surinam X Guyana
Sonoran X Colombian (Done for Albino Leopards)
Sonoran X Nicaraguan (work for T positive Leopards)

Essquibo locale Guyana

Belem Brazilian

Baranquilla Colombian
Leticia Colombian

Eastern Colombian BCC

mandora Mar 09, 2005 01:13 PM

Wow, thanks guys! That really helps me. I was having a hard time distinguishing which were which. I'm going to print those lists and do some follow up research to connect names with the actual animals.
Again, thanks for the effort!

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 01:57 PM

I am glad it helped, the Blood morph is only present in Nicaraguan and Colombian crosses with the El Salvador original strain. I may be wrong but I do not know of any El Salvador Bloods at current time. Just because i don't know of them doesn't mean they don't exist, lol!

craig k. Mar 09, 2005 01:16 PM

I just noticed there are quite a few I am missing. Oh well, I am working on it. Great list though. Craig

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 01:55 PM

I knew I would miss many! Add whatever you remember that I left out!

craig k. Mar 09, 2005 03:02 PM

I meant I was missing from my collection, not that you were missing from your list. Your list looks pretty good. Craig

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 09:19 PM

Yeah I am missing quite a bit too! Considering I only have 14 Boa constrictors, even if each was different I would be a long way off! I don't even have my top 5.

craig k. Mar 09, 2005 10:15 PM

I don't think you can ever have them all, I have a huge new addition coming next Thursday that will keep me satisfied for quite some time though. Craig

ChrisGilbert Mar 10, 2005 01:58 PM

You mean keep you satisfied until the next show or picture you see right, lol!

I don't exactly have a way to house 150-300 boas, because I would have to have pairs of them all!

ChrisGilbert Mar 09, 2005 02:09 PM

There are also 25% Surinam, Surinam X Colombian Albinos
75% Salmontine
Super salmontine

There was an "Argentine X Colombian" X Central American.

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