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Looking for first snake??

fourstrings88 Mar 10, 2005 08:19 PM

Hry everyone,

I am LOOKING into getting a snake but I am not sure in what species I want here are a few things to consider b4 your post your suggestions.

*I am lookinf for something that is not very expensive(the snake itself)
*Looking for something that dosent require a HUGE emclosure but something that will do fine in a 20 long gallon or something along that lines.
*Looking for something that can be hadnled and something that dose not need RABITS when it gets older.

this will probally go along the lines of a corn snake but if anyone else has any ideas let me know and feel free to post

THANKS
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1.1.0 Leo Geckos

1.0.0 Collard Lizard

Replies (20)

sidneydawson Mar 10, 2005 08:31 PM

cal kings, fla kings, rosy boas etc.

crtoon83 Mar 10, 2005 10:08 PM

african house snake... look down for a bit and see where theres a thread based on looking for a small snake. more ideas there.

nothing that will live in a 20 gallon for its life will ever eat rabbits....
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-Chris

The reason mainstream thought is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin

A fool doesn't learn. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Which one are you?

My Website
N. American Rat/Corn snake care sheet I wrote
Information on substrates

Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Black Rat (Frankie)
0.1 Texas Bairdi (Rosa)
0.1 Blue Beauty (Brunhilde)
1.0 Green Tree Python (Monty)

MADNORWEGIAN Mar 11, 2005 06:04 AM

Corn snakes are excellent first snakes...especially for kids. Many herpetologists bring corn snakes to children's parties...and the snake is very peaceful! If you buy a baby corn snake, and they come in a wide array of colors, you will be able to quickly accustom the snake to being handled and he will be AWESOME! If you are buying for kids, maybe you would prefer to buy a 1 or 2 year old corn snake that has been used at parties and is already used to being held. I bought such a snake, a 2 year old corn snake, that my girlfriend named "Snakey". He was used at children's parties and he is the friendliest snake ever! He is very health and easy to care for. He is in a 40 gallon tank and it is a mansion for him! He is about 4 feet long and a bit thicker than an average garden hose. AWESOME FIRST SNAKE!!!

MADNORWEGIAN Mar 11, 2005 06:06 AM

ALSO...SNAKEY EATS FROZEN MICE...very easy to feed...put snakey in a plastic tub with the mouse and watch him eat! Never feed the snake in the tank, or he will think "food" each time you put your hand in the tank...but I trust Snakey totally and I would feed him in the tank if I had to.

crtoon83 Mar 11, 2005 10:10 AM

feeding in the tanks is really personal preference. i'm not moving all 5 of my snakes out just to feed them then back... and i've never had a problem
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-Chris

The reason mainstream thought is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin

A fool doesn't learn. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Which one are you?

My Website
N. American Rat/Corn snake care sheet I wrote
Information on substrates

Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Black Rat (Frankie)
0.1 Texas Bairdi (Rosa)
0.1 Blue Beauty (Brunhilde)
1.0 Green Tree Python (Monty)

jasonmattes Mar 14, 2005 12:49 AM

They actually dont eat fozen food...they eat thawed food...you should specify that to somone looking for a first snake. You can also feed fresh killed or live if you want..most people will suggest against the live though. Rats or mice are fine...i prefer rats myself..I also personally believe the feeding in the enclosure idea is just a myth....i feed all my snakes in the enclosure and dont handle most of them that much..i prefer to look at them..they are all fine with handling..
spotted pythons are great snakes..easy to take care of and very handleable.
Good luck with the seach

althea Mar 10, 2005 10:53 PM

Childrens pythons (antaresia childreni) are hardy captives--all the fun of a larger python in a small one. Plus, they are very pretty in sunlight--the irridescence--gotta' see it to appreciate it!

There are many rats, kings, and other assorted colubrids which will fit your criterion. Also, smaller boids such as rosy boas and some species of sand boas.

You have many choices. Research in the various forums, and ask questions if a species appeals to you. People are usually willing to talk about their animals and give advice. Best of luck--and let us know what you decide!

regards,
althea

MADNORWEGIAN Mar 11, 2005 02:57 PM

A Ball Python would be a great snake too...you can get one for under $100 and keep it in a 40 gallon tank and it does not need rabbits! I adopted a 5 year old Ball Python (I named him Sosa) and he does fine with frozen mice and small frozen rats...beware of King Snakes, because they like to drop a deuce on you when you hold them...although there are some cool looking kings out there!

crtoon83 Mar 11, 2005 03:01 PM

beware of King Snakes, because they like to drop a deuce on you when you hold them...although there are some cool looking kings out there!
This is a fairly common thing snakes will do when scared. Not just limited to kingsnakes. Think about it.. they musk you and you're thinkin "god that stinks bad but im not putting him down." then they take a crap on you and you immedately put him up and go wash up. it's a better version of self defense.
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-Chris

The reason mainstream thought is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin

A fool doesn't learn. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Which one are you?

My Website
N. American Rat/Corn snake care sheet I wrote
Information on substrates

Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Black Rat (Frankie)
0.1 Texas Bairdi (Rosa)
0.1 Blue Beauty (Brunhilde)
1.0 Green Tree Python (Monty)

madnorwegian Mar 12, 2005 09:21 AM

Every time I go to a reptile show...many snakes are handled...pythons, boas, rats, kings, etc. The kings are the only ones that use people as a toilet!!!

crtoon83 Mar 12, 2005 07:10 PM

well then you're paying more attention to them then, however they do tend to do it more often. but i know for a fact a rat snake will.. one of mine did when i first got him.
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-Chris

The reason mainstream thought is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow. -George Carlin

A fool doesn't learn. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. Which one are you?

My Website
N. American Rat/Corn snake care sheet I wrote
Information on substrates

Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Black Rat (Frankie)
0.1 Texas Bairdi (Rosa)
0.1 Blue Beauty (Brunhilde)
1.0 Green Tree Python (Monty)

UAWPrez Mar 12, 2005 08:53 PM

I have ten different snakes, 3 of them are kings, a Pueblean, a Desert and a Grayband. The grayband never musked on me, and the other two gradually grew out of it as they got used to me gently handling them regularly. The non kings have never musked on me either (or dueced)

MADNORWEGIAN Mar 13, 2005 06:55 AM

That makes sense. Thanks for the reply.

Hotshot Mar 12, 2005 11:08 AM

Colubrids!!

They are all very hardy animals and do not require huge enclosures nor do they have large food requirements.

Here are some examples that would be fine in a 20 gal long and at adult age would only need adult mice and are easy to care for. And for the most part are very easy to handle once they reach yearling/juvenile age.

These are pictures of my snakes and if you have any questions on them, please feel free to ask.

First Ill start off with the rat snakes. You obviously already have looked into the corn snake, so I will not list it.

The only rat snake that would need a larger enclosure later on for sure, would be the black rat. As they can attain lengths of up to 101", but the majority are average length of around 5-6'.

If you are for sure about not wanting anything larger than a 20 gal long, then forgo the black rat.

The other rat snakes should do fine in a 20 gal long at adult size. As hatchlings, they can be alittle squirmy and nippy, but will grow out of that and most should turn out very calm with handling.

Here are pictures of some of my rat snakes....

First off, a yellow rat snake. They average 4 - 5' at adult size and the record is 90".

Next is the greenish rat snake. This is a natural intergrade of the yellow and black rat snakes where their ranges overlap. They can vary in color from a nice light yellow/green to a dark drab olive green. They are pretty comparitive to the yellow rat in size, but can attain longer lengths due to the black rat influence.

The everglades rat snake is a very attractive snake that can easily be the jewel in a rat snake collection!! A very attractive snake and are the same size as the yellow.

The grey rat snake is another very attractive rat snake, and the white oak phase is the prettiest in my opinion. Adults average between 36 - 72" with the record being 84.5".

There are other rat snakes as well, such as the bairds, texas, and great plains rats. They are very addictive and if you get one, Ill bet you will have another in no time!! LOL

You can also look at the kings. The care for them is the same as for the rats and most of the kings have a feeding response that is just incredible. Rat snakes are quick hitters and feed quickly, but kings seem to hit the food item harder and are more apt to "kill" the food item before eating it. I feed all mine frozen/thawed, and the kings seem to be more intent on wrapping up the mouse and squeezing it more so than the rats do. Dont know why, just a personal observation.

Here are some kings that I have and are very easy to take care of...

California kings. Probably one of the most common kings in the snake trade and are readily available in many morphs/colors. They are good for a beginner because they feed readily and are a very hardy snake.

Here is my male. He is a normal coastal phase. Nothing outrageous as far as coloring goes, but is huge as far as size. He is probably on the upper end of the cal king size band. At last measurement he was 54" and still growing. They average 36 - 48" and I think the record is 60".

And my female coastal phase. She is het albino, so I think that is why her colors are so bright. She looks alot nicer than my male.

The black king snake is another king that is easy to maintain. They are not as readily available as most other kings, as most people do not find them as attractive as the more colorful kings. But I really like the black kings as well as any other king snake. My little female is a little pig and never turns down a meal. Average size is 36-48" with specimens occasionally reaching the 5' mark.

Another nice king snake that is in my opinion underrated, is the prairie king. A very beautiful snake, and easy to maintain as well. One of the smaller kings, but very hardy. They average 24 - 36", and the record is 58".

The desert kings are another pretty popular king snake. They are pretty and are easy to take care of too. They average 24 - 36" and the record is 60".

Another popular king is the florida king. They are available in many colors/morphs and are relatively easy to acquire. They average 36 - 48" and the record is 69.5".

The eastern king is another, however it is the largest of the kings and would probably outgrow a 20 gal long. They are a very beautiful snake and would make a great addition to ones king collection for sure!!
Other kings for your consideration also could be the speckled king and the mexican black king.

Hope this helps and good luck with your decision and welcome to the snake community!!! Let us know on what you finally decide!
Brian
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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

RACERS
1.0 Eastern Yellow Belly racer "Nightcrawler" (MO locale)

KINGS
1.1 California king snake "Bandit and Moonstar" (Coastal phase)
1.0 Prairie king snake "Bishop" (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake "Domino" (KY locale)
1.0 Desert Kingsnake "Gambit"
0.1 Florida Kingsnake

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

duffy Mar 12, 2005 07:07 PM

Great pics...Great snakes. That little yellow rat is really coming along. Duffy

Hotshot Mar 13, 2005 09:50 AM

I know that helps alot when pics are provided.

The little yellow rat isnt doing so well. Seems he is having problems digesting his food. We will see how things turn out.
Brian

>>Great pics...Great snakes. That little yellow rat is really coming along. Duffy
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RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

RACERS
1.0 Eastern Yellow Belly racer "Nightcrawler" (MO locale)

KINGS
1.1 California king snake "Bandit and Moonstar" (Coastal phase)
1.0 Prairie king snake "Bishop" (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake "Domino" (KY locale)
1.0 Desert Kingsnake "Gambit"
0.1 Florida Kingsnake

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

Doug89 Mar 12, 2005 07:01 PM

Rat snakes or Corn snakes are the best brginner snakes. If your thinking of going with rays check out my new snake. She is a yearling Leucistic Texas Rat Snake. They have a bit of an attitude and are known as the meanest rat snakes but if they are handled often when they're little they calm down. They bite when they're little but you dont feel anything because they dont really have teeth yet. Anyway i'll post some pictures of her and upload some more for you to see. They are really very beatiful snakes.

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-Doug Daly

"Brian theres a message in my Alpha-Bits, it says: "OOOOOOOOOOOOHHH""
"Peter Those are Cheerios..."

0.1.0 Leucistic Texas Rat Snake

Doug89 Mar 12, 2005 07:11 PM

Here she is again:

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-Doug Daly

"Brian theres a message in my Alpha-Bits, it says: "OOOOOOOOOOOOHHH""
"Peter Those are Cheerios..."

0.1.0 Leucistic Texas Rat Snake

Doug89 Mar 12, 2005 07:13 PM

Here she is again and pissed off! Sorry the pics so blurry, i think it got super blurrier when i uploaded it, anyway she was a little angry this time. I had fed her the night before and was going in to change her water and she bit me a couple times but it's a joke cause you can barely feel it!

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-Doug Daly

"Brian theres a message in my Alpha-Bits, it says: "OOOOOOOOOOOOHHH""
"Peter Those are Cheerios..."

0.1.0 Leucistic Texas Rat Snake

um Mar 13, 2005 04:19 PM

You could get a neson or sionala milk.Great and beautiful snakes.
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Thank You,
Brad S.

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