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Medicine question? Update on boa with R.I. infection.

casey31179 Mar 11, 2005 07:22 AM

I took my boa to the vet yesturday and the vet did x-ray and found that the boa has slight pnemonia in his lungs right behind his heart. He did a culture by sticking a thing down his air way to his lungs so we are waiting on the results of that. He has me giving him liquid Baytril he weighs 10lbs and I am giving him 1ml once a day for 14 days. Does this dosage sound ok? Has anyone given oral antibiotics to a boa before whats the best way to do it? Does anyone have any other suggestions as to what might help my boa? The vet also said that depending on what the culture says we might have to change his antibiotic.

Thanks!
Erin

P.S. It makes me so mad at the people I bought this Boa off of that they let him get sick like this!

Replies (7)

Jeff Clark Mar 11, 2005 08:11 AM

Erin,
....What is the concentration of the Baytril? Most people treat respiratory infections in snakes with injections of antibiotics. On this forum it has been reported that Baytril sometimes causes small necrotic lesions at the injection site. Oral administration may be a good idea. Make sure your Boa drinks plenty of water. Sick animals will often quit drinking and become dehydrated. Antibiotics can be hard on kidneys and good hydration will help to flush the kidneys out and prevent damage. I do not use Baytril. Perhaps someone who does can tell you about dosage.
Good luck,
Jeff

>>I took my boa to the vet yesturday and the vet did x-ray and found that the boa has slight pnemonia in his lungs right behind his heart. He did a culture by sticking a thing down his air way to his lungs so we are waiting on the results of that. He has me giving him liquid Baytril he weighs 10lbs and I am giving him 1ml once a day for 14 days. Does this dosage sound ok? Has anyone given oral antibiotics to a boa before whats the best way to do it? Does anyone have any other suggestions as to what might help my boa? The vet also said that depending on what the culture says we might have to change his antibiotic.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Erin
>>
>>P.S. It makes me so mad at the people I bought this Boa off of that they let him get sick like this!

Kelly_Haller Mar 11, 2005 11:18 AM

Erin,
As Jeff stated you would need to have the milligram per ml concentration of the Baytril solution you are using to determine the dosage you are giving. A 10 pound boa would require a minimum of 25 mg of oral Baytril at each dosage. Oral liquid antibiotics are difficult to give to a snake, and typically require a tube inserted some distance down the throat. This is not a very efficient delivery method and is stressful to the snake. The best method for oral antibiotics, if the snake is feeding, is to use a tablet form that is cut to dosage size and placed just under the skin of the smallest feeder the snake will eat. If not feeding, injectable antibiotics are best, although as mentioned, injectable Baytril can cause necrosis at the injection site apparently if given too shallow and not deep in the muscle. There are other injectable and tablet form antibiotics that are more effective than Baytril that can be used, with most of these having been developed for human use. Vets obviously don’t typically have these in stock and so use what they have available on site. It will be interesting to see the results of sensitivity tests on the sample that was cultured. Good luck.

Kelly

morgans boas Mar 11, 2005 10:12 PM

"P.S. It makes me so mad at the people I bought this Boa off of that they let him get sick like this!"
I don't exactly know the condition that your snake is in, but I can tell you that I've had Boas kept at optimal temperatures, and humidity conditions, and still developed R.I.'s for reasons that are uncertain. I can also tell you that I've only used Batril (by injection only) with zero % sucess.
Does anyone here have a good sucess rate with other antibiotics ? That would be nice to share with others -- Thanks
-----
--aka DMOG68

Jeff Clark Mar 12, 2005 12:10 AM

...I have not had a snake with a respiratory infection in quite awhile but I used to use injectable Amikacin with good results.
Jeff

>>"P.S. It makes me so mad at the people I bought this Boa off of that they let him get sick like this!"
>> I don't exactly know the condition that your snake is in, but I can tell you that I've had Boas kept at optimal temperatures, and humidity conditions, and still developed R.I.'s for reasons that are uncertain. I can also tell you that I've only used Batril (by injection only) with zero % sucess.
>> Does anyone here have a good sucess rate with other antibiotics ? That would be nice to share with others -- Thanks
>>-----
>>--aka DMOG68

matthewpope Mar 12, 2005 12:14 AM

For hydrating a boa with an RI, I have used pedialyte straight, undiluted, every other day. I gave the sick snake a hidebox and left that on its hotspot at about 90 and it spent most of its time in there. I had outstanding success with this technique and was simultaneously treating this animal for a nose rub as well. The comeback was miraculous and for me took only 3 weeks. This animal was exposed to very cold temps when I was away on a 90 day assignment while it was in someone else’s care. I came home and found a very sick snake (a few actually!)

To deliver the pedialyte, I would simply remove the hidebox with the snake in it, pop the lid off, and deliver.through a catheter tube. Since the snake was already in a semi-relaxed environment, it gave little resistance and in turn, this minimized the stress to the snake. I would get a bit of water on the tube first as to lubricate it somewhat, and that helped. It is almost impossible but warrants mention that in getting the tube down the throat that you do not get it into the animal’s airway. This, although conceivably difficult to do, would fill up the lungs with the delivered fluid.

I would open the animal’s mouth and use a straw to keep it open just a bit while I worked the tube in. Once I had the tube a good 8 inches down the throat, I slowly released the fluid from the syringe and maintained the animal’s head elevated at about 18 inches above the box in which it sat. After the 50cc serving was delivered (6 ft snake), I VERY slowly let the snake’s upper body back down and watched carefully for it to gurge any of the fluid. Only once or twice did it start to spit up and when it did, I kept the upper body elevated and tried again.

As I said, this animal made a miraculous recovery and I am convinced that the forced hydration was the key. Within 10 days, the physical strength increase of the animal was noticeable and within 3 weeks it went into a shed, came out, and was fine. Now I know that this is not how it always goes and this animal may have just had rugged genetics, but I don’t think the pedialyte can hurt your cause.

Adequate hydration might help offset damage, but I don’t know if it really prevents it. I avoid antibiotics like the plague and the only animal I had to give a rigorous regimen to (including Baytril) died. Thus I am somewhat biased and inexperienced with the use of antibiotics and while I can’t recommend dosages, I have talked to a lot of people and read a bit on this.

I am not certain about oral delivery of Baytril or any antibiotics for snakes but I do know that many drugs have varying toxicities AND dosages required when comparing oral versus injectable delivery. In addition, the effective life of the drug in the system can be VERY different based on the delivery, whether it is in oil based versus water base solution, etc. This is a very important consideration. If I were you, I would find out what drug the vet says you should use, per the culture taken. Then, to not reinvent the wheel, I would do what most people have done and find out exactly what dose per unit of animal body mass they have been using, how often they deliver the drug, AND insist to your vet that you use exactly what they have (oral or inject) in the recommended dosage at the given frequency.

I wish you the very best and I hope your snake has a speedy recovery!

joeysgreen Mar 12, 2005 04:40 AM

The above posts are all great; a little paranoid of antibiotics perhaps but still great. It is hard to base an honest recommendation on a specific case here, or a few problems there, but everyone was good enough to mention that it's all personal experience that they are sharing.

I am very happy with your explanation of what the veterinarian did, the X-rays and culture are often skipped the first go-around which is a poor choice in my opinion. I would guess that your veterinarian knows what dosage of antibiotics to give, I wouldn't worry about that. However assuming you were given injectable Baytril at 50mg/ml (also good for PO, and about the only available concentration) the dose seems good; on the high side but when giving by mouth this is normal to adjust for varients upon delivery.

The previous post mentioned a tube; keep in mind that if using this method for your 1cc of Baytril you will need 3-5ml of fluid to follow to make sure the Baytril has vacated the tube into the snake. I prefer injecting this amount into a rodent (smallest prey size that will be taken) and feeding daily.

I must also stress that husbandry must be as optimal as possible. It sounds like this snake was brought to you already sick; have temps in the mid to upper part of prefered range, include lots of security hides, reduce stress as much as possible, monitor humidity as well.

Good luck with your snake

Casey31179 Mar 13, 2005 09:03 AM

I really appreciate your recomendations and I am going to mention a few of them to my vet when he calls tomorrow with the culture results. I will keep you all updated as to what the culture says and how my boa does!

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