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malama has a quota of 100! guntheri as 100, henkeli 200! corkbarks 500........

SO WHERE ARE ALL THE MALAMA GOING! I have looked and looked an have only seen one pic EVER!

MNR, can you get any info from the exporter youre dealing with about them???

Anyone else know anything?

They have put quotas on them but if you look back at the records no malama have ever been exported and guenthri has not been exported for the last 3 years. Uroplatus alluadi seems to be exported in fairly significant numbers though but they have put a zero quota limit on it. I just read an article that Uroplatus malama are believed to be extinct because the small forest in which they lived has been destroyed.
-Matt

that is how many they can potentially export if the opportunity arises. not how many are coming into the country.

i realize that is how many can be exported, but if the animal was extinct or in that much danger of becoming extinct then i would assume they would not even put a quota on them. Id like to go to southern madagascar and find out for myself if they are still there! Man what a great trip that would be......

I have heard rumors of alluadi in europe, but havent found anyone that is breeding them

Well. I have never seen Alluaudi in europe or heard of them. But Guentheri is easy to get. The problem is, that guenteri, Alluaudi, Guentheri and Malahelo looks ALOT like each other. You need a magnifyer to see the differences. So we MIGHT have all of them?
Kristian

Can anyone get the Uroplatus alluadi?? IF you can I want them!! I just got what I beleave to be U. Malama. I looked at some pictures and they are ether REAL BIG satanics or U.Malama. I am not sure but if you can get them in I am looking for Uroplatus alluadi and cork barks as well.

Thanks

Mike
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Mike & Cherly Garrett
Critters Unlimited
Houston TX

6.8.0 U. Phantasticus
1.7.1 Crested Geckos
1.1.0 Leopard Geckos
1.3.0 U. Sikoare
1.0.0 U. Henkeli
1.1.0 U. Malama
0.0.1 Ball Python

I seriously doubt you have Uroplatus malama. I don't believe malama are any bigger than phantasticus they are only distinguished by different scales over the eyes. I have heard of people getting very large phantasticus though. You will never see Uroplatus alluadi exported again hopefully. These ultra rare animals to not belong in the hands of hobbyists but in Madagascar and possible in Zoos.
-Matt

I agree that right now both Alluaudi, Malama and Malahelo should not be exported and put in the hands of amateurkeepers (Exept my self, offcause LOL)
But what the future brings, is quite interesting. U. Pietschmanni was only described last year - what will we find in the rest of the forests? We don't know how large any populations of any species are!
Yet, we have to respond to the knowledge we have to the forests and animals now. But in the deep forest of Mada might be more species and populations!

This is not the only identifying characteristic… U. malama is most similar to ebenaui, but it differs in the complete lack of spines and crests on the dorsolateral surfaces (not only above the eye), the amount of scale differentiation and coloration… And most notably, the best identifying taxonomic character is the difference in the structure of the hemipenis… Size alone is not valuable…
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Ben

Ben

Can you send me some kind of way to find out if these are or are not Malama? I would like to find out if they are or are they just huge satanics?

Thanks

Mike
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Mike & Cherly Garrett
Critters Unlimited
Houston TX

6.8.0 U.Phantasticus
1.7.1 Crested Geckos
1.1.0 Leopard Geckos
1.3.0 U.Sikoare
1.0.0 U.Henkeli
1.1.0 U.Phantasticus?(Giant Satanics or U.Malama?)
0.0.1 Ball Python

I can send you the original species description... it will take some degree of understanding of taxanomic and morphological jargon, but it may help... Ii will be tought to ever tell for sure... just e-mail me your adress...
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Ben

I have seen many bits and pieces of factual and inaccurate information on this thread. I am not new to this hobby, but have been out of Uroplatus for almost two years. I am going to be conducting research on this genus, and I am sure many of you will get an e-mail with the chance to contribute. I have bred almost every species among the Genus. The majority of the information can be summed up as, " U. malahelo, and U. alluadi have never been kept in captivity outside of Madagascar. U. malama has been kept in Europe and the United States years ago, but rumors have been spread of a few Europeans and Japanese hobbyists keeping them currently(Not from current imports.), and U. guntheri is being bred in Japan, Europe, Canada, and the United States. In Europe U. guntheri are more readily available than in the United States and Canada. Numbers in the United States are low, and the price and demand is high. They haven't been imported in three year and most likely won't be, because their locality is remote and traveling their is more money than it's worth for collectors to collect them.
U. malahelo was found while its habitat was being destroyed and most likely is extinct or the population is extemely Endangered. Deforestation is such an issue, which impacts all species and undiscovered species and sub-species. U. alluadi is known from on a single or few specimens and current status is unknown.
U.malama is larger than U.phantasticus by about 5mm, differing structure and scalation. The facts on whether this species has been imported in recent shipments over the few years. The chances ares slim.
The quotas might have a number for each species, but like U. guntheri the locality of each species is different. So, because of localities, it makes collecting difficult.

Below is a picture of one of my gravid U.lineatus a few years ago.

Geckos By Brad

U. alluadi has been exported to europe in the past. You can even check the CITES export numbers for that. Bill Love took pictures of a couple before they were exported as well.

Other than that the rest of your information is well known in the Uroplatus community. We have all pretty much read the same few articals and papers. Thanks though

I agree with you Travisdank. The information I listed can be found with research thats been pulled together, but the problem is that a lot of people who post "assumptions" are educating other people inaccurately. This should be a Forum to educate and not for sarcasim and immature posts or remarks. I
Research on Olaf Pronk U. alluadi, and then get back with me. Somethings aren't textbook. I would also be eager to promote photographs of U. alluadi if I was a European who had some specimens from a shipment. C.I.T.I.E.S. may have a quota, but that cannot be filled if the specimens aren't being collected. The numbers that left Madagascar are most likely preserved in museums, catalouged, and documented.
I hope that this Fourm isn't corrupted as many of the others. That just limits everyones ability to learn new things.
Geckos By Brad

Brad

I agree with what you are saying. I hope that by me asking for a way to ID my newest geckos i was not coming off as childish. That was not my intent at all. I was very excited, and I can see that it might have com off that way. If I have ofended anyone I am sorry I was a little excited.
It would be nice if there was a site where those of us who love these litle creatures could go and get information on them but there is little out there. I am working on a site now myself but I am finding lots of missing data.
When I got my new geckos in They where diffrent form the other satanics and I went looking to see if maybe there was something that was like the new ones and i saw a photo of U. Malama and it looks similar that is why I posted that I might have U.Malama. Not to asume that I know everything but to say what I thought it was. Please dont confuse my lack of knowlage on the diffrence of the Uroplatus for an unwillingness to learn. I would love to be able to tell the diffrence on sight but like somany others I am new to the uroplatus as a group. I have been keeping Satanics for a few years but I have never ventured in to the others until this year.
Let me know if you get any information on the other speices. I am eager to learn more.

Thanks

Mike
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Mike & Cherly Garrett
Critters Unlimited
Houston TX

6.8.0 U.Phantasticus
1.7.1 Crested Geckos
1.1.0 Leopard Geckos
1.3.0 U.Sikoare
1.0.0 U.Henkeli
1.1.0 U.Phantasticus?(Giant Satanics or U.Malama?)
0.0.1 Ball Python

Mike,
Your assumption isn't childish at all. At a glance U. phantasticus and U. malama can appear identical. The information on the obscure Uroplatus is scarce. My post was not to belittle you about your post. My intentions where to help people learn some facts about issues that were written inaccurately. Good luck with the Giant U. phants!
Geckos By Brad