Reptile & Amphibian Forums

In October I purchased this 5' female, a 4' male anery and a 2' amel female for $50. Awesome eaters, healthy, have been cooling and now I am ready to bring them out. I just cant seem to find out what exactly she is. Her base is almost all brown, and she has virtually no red at all. In the pic, what you see as redish brown is really more brown than anything. Can anyone definitely tell me what she was? The sale was at a yard sale, the person selling them was selling them for the owner and didnt know exactly what they were. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

pic 2

pic 3

That is the normal coloration of a cornsnake; it isn't an anery.
-----
Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Yes, I know she is not anery. I have an anery male that I got with her. I don't think this one is a normal, there is no red whatsoever. Sorry for the confusion.

I suspect that the reason you are seeing a lack of red on an otherwise normally colored snake, is because it is likely a normally colored hybrid, having emoryii blood in it. It looks like what is often called a rootbeer corn, which is a hybrid.

I didn't say anything before, because there is no way for me to be sure of that diagnosis, and you didn't ask about that anyway. Also, I don't want people to think I am just anti-hybrids and "see" them everywhere! lol

However, since you are now asking in the frame of "this can't be a normal, because it doesn't have the red"...well, I think that's likely why. It's probably a rootbeer corn (corn x emoryii hybrid of some percentage).
-----
Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

That is exactly what I thought when I checked out the pics. Looks like it may have emoryi in it for sure.
Brian
-----

RATS
1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Yellow rat snake "Wolverine" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

MILKS
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

I have a female looks a lot like her she is a guttata x emoryi.

I have a pair of het for Creamsicle and they look similar, mine also throw Anerys and Snows. Just guessing but that may be a Corn X Emoryi cross. If so it very well may be het Albino.....no way to tell til you produce babies from it. Tom Stevens

>>I am going to jump in with an agreement to the general opinion.
It is hard to be sure via an internet photo but I also think it looks like there is Emoryi blood in that snake.
-----
Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

Brought back a pair last year from Linn County, KS

Kerby...

Kinda surprising nobody asked your location. Are you in the South East? Can you get any info on if she was captive born or not? I am heading to the simple thought that it might be a W.C. corn. I have found quite a few that looked very close to that in Central Florida. We even started calling really ugly dark brown ones in Indian River County, Vero Corns because of the fact that most corns found in the City Limit had that same kinda look. We were looking for the Gray background with the deep red saddles that are common in Okeechobee Co. so any with that look we called names, no offense. What I always loved about field herping in that area is that extreme variety of color variation. But that is what I see looking at the pics. I am 1 out of 5 or 6 that say the same thing so I am probably wrong but I just wanted to give a different view.
Thanks Jason

Actually, I live just north of Tampa. The person selling them really had no information on them at the time, ashame really, I hate not knowing. She did say that the owner had paid $150 for one of them, which I doubt unless it was a pet store, tank, the whole works. My issue really is just being able to identify lineage for any offspring she produces this year. It will be interesting to see what the hatchlings will look like. I will post then too. Thanks to all for their input, I do see Emoryi now that some of you mentioned it (the power of suggestion). I just wasnt sure. It is very easy to see distinct color morphs and hybrids in the juveniles but I am not as good with the adults. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks again.

Tom Siegrist

I ahte to say it but if you are in Fl. than the WC thing fits more in my opinion. There are a whole lot of WC in the pet stores in Fl. And like you say the purchase price means little. For your sake I hope I am wrong. Even if I am not take a good look at the snake and you will find a lot more colors in a WC snake that you just don't see in the trade. The ugliest corn if given the chance will show you the prettiest colors as they move. I love WC corns for that. Variety is the spice of life. Good Luck
Thanks Jason

Thanks to all, but I guess as I read all these posts, there really is no way to know. I will see what happens when her eggs hatch, maybe there will be a few surprises in there. Hind sight would tell me next time to get a number, get an address something, just to be able to talk to the owner. But I probably wont run across another yard sale deal like that again, but who knows. Have a great breeding season!

tom siegrist