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can u guys plz upload some photos of anery hondurans?

thanks....

here are some:
anery het ghost


ghost

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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.50m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(6,10m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis super hypo
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.0 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.0 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino striped
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped
2.2 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei

n/p
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RAY

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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.50m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(6,10m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
0.1 Aspidites ramsayi
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis snow
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis DH snow
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery het ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery 66%het ghost
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis super hypo
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis 66%het ghost
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
1.1 Lystrophis semicinctus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.2 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe guttata pastel motley
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped
1.2 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei

wow they are amazing!!!!!!!!!!
are anery het ghost look beter then reguler anery?
what are there prices?

if some1 have any more pic plz upload.

Hi!

Here is a pic of my male anery (het hypo - or het ghost in other words):

Best regards

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snakes.pl

>>my male anery (het hypo - or het ghost in other words):

I'm somewhat of a stickler for terminology (yeah, English major, journalist all my life, so bear with me)

I'd strongly recommend you use the more specific terminology you started with--"anery het hypo" and NOT the second use, "het ghost"....it's obvious YOU know what you mean, but consider: for recessive traits, "het" x "het" = babies 1/4 of which are homozygous for the trait. But "het" ghost (for het anery and het/hypo) X "het" ghost (ditto) actually yields 1/16. Depending on what the mate is, sometimes the percentage of production will be the same (if both parents are HOMOzygous for one of the morphs, for example) but in other instances the "yield" will be different than would be true with actual "hets". I've talked to people who bought pairs of double hets for ghost from people who called them "het for ghost" and the buyers thought 1/4 of their babies would be ghosts, when only 1/16 would be. So precision in language in this instance, at least, can be pretty important.

Please excuse the pep talk. Beautiful snake, by the way.

Terry

Hi!

Right - I agree to all this. That's why I always prefer "anery het hypo" or "dbl het anery & hypo".
In case of anery het hypo - the other version is not so confusing, as this is homozygous anery and heterozygous hypo. But in double het case - this creates confusion and sometimes may lead to misunderstanding.
I have found out that a lot of people doesn't understand the double het anery & hypo, and think that this is different than "het ghost" (this is the description I personally hate ).

Thanks
Best regards
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snakes.pl

i dont understand baby's from hypoXanery will be:
anery het hypo
and some hypo het anery?
and if they will breed toghter the babys will be ghost?
and what will happen if we will breed aneryXtangrine?
thank you every one your anerys are amazing...
sorry about the english

anery X hypo offsprings are all normal looking, but het for anery and hypo, 2 separate recessive traits that when expressed together make the "ghost".
pairing 2 of these double het for anery and hypo offsprings you have 1/16 of possibilities to get ghost in the clutch.
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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.50m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(6,10m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
0.1 Aspidites ramsayi
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis snow
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis DH snow
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery het ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery 66%het ghost
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis super hypo
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis 66%het ghost
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
1.1 Lystrophis semicinctus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.2 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe guttata pastel motley
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped
1.2 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei

ohhh ok thank you.
can u help me in one more thing...
what triple homozygous is?

it's a snake that shows 3 trait at the same time: pearl hondo is an example(anery,amel,hypo)
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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.50m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(6,10m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
0.1 Aspidites ramsayi
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis snow
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis DH snow
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery het ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery 66%het ghost
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis super hypo
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis 66%het ghost
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
1.1 Lystrophis semicinctus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.2 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe guttata pastel motley
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped
1.2 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei

do u have a pic of one?
sound amazing.

here a pic I found searching into past posts,
it's from www.selectiveorigins.com

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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.50m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(6,10m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
0.1 Aspidites ramsayi
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis snow
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis DH snow
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery het ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis ghost
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis anery 66%het ghost
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis super hypo
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis 66%het ghost
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
1.1 Lystrophis semicinctus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.2 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe guttata pastel motley
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped
1.2 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei

wowowowow amazing snake....
this is the first one ever right?
who made him?

what will become by breeding him with a hypo or albino or a anery?

Pearl - Not So...
The image you posted of my snow is only a double mutation. I had produced 2 snows last year from triple Het (Anery, Albino & Hypo) to triple Het breeding. They both are 66% het Hypo but that will be for me to prove out or not next year with a related ghost 66% het albino. I call them Peal and Opal - Pet Names. Please do not use the name I called it as Pearl to describe it. This was my reaction to it when first born. When babies first hatch out their color is very subtle and most do change over time. My snows have the soft colors of pink and yellow now as shown. When the triple Homo is proven then the name will be what they wish to call it such as Pearl, Opal or whatever it may be. I have seen a price for one that is yet to be born and hope Terry has a few this year. My fingers are crossed as we are another year away for maybe our first.
So it is just a Snow for now.
Kind Regards,
Adam

Image

ok i hope this year we will see some...

i cant understand something.
if u breed 2 triple het like this:
AaBbCc X AaBbCc
then snow ghost or hybino can be Aabbcc?

>>... I had produced 2 snows last year from triple Het (Anery, Albino & Hypo) to triple Het breeding. They both are 66% het Hypo but that will be for me to prove out or not

actually, adam, since we don't know how (or if) a triple hojozygous would differ from a double homozygous (snow) yours COULD be a triple homozygous and so could the other snows people have produced from triple hets. The chances are actually 1/4 that the animal has NO hypo gene, 2/4 that it has one hypo gene, and 1/4 that it has TWO hyhpo genes and thus IS triple homozygous. Does that make sense?

It's the same as the situation with my "possible hybinos", where we don't know yet whether a hybino will look different (or how) from a non-hypo albino: mine have 1/4 chance of having NO hypo gene; 2/4 chance of being het; and 1/4 of them would be homo9zygous hypo (and thus hybino). I've produced more than a dozen such snakes so in theory there are at least 3-4 hybinos out there, we just don't know which ones they are. (first one test bred proved not to be; i'll be testing another one this year, and two more, if all goes well, next year). The same is true of the snows from triple hets--any of them has 1/4 chance of BEING a triple homozygous.

The diff is that the breeding i'm doing this year will produce babies that HAVE to be hypos, so if any turn out looking like snows, they're snow hypo and thus = triple homozygous, no doubts, no questions asked.

Terry

Terry,
Yes, this is true and the fun part will be to prove it out or not, this is what I find addicting. We all have our quests or goals and to get there one day.
You lost me with the 1/4's. Percentages may be in-favor of one or the other but when it comes to pairing unknowns it truly is 50/50 until we see what hatches given the clutch was big enough. I do hope that you prove out the Hybino issue this year and we all can get a better idea of what it may or does look like. I am more excited for you with the Triple Homo - This is going to be the future of any Hondo breeders needs. I wish you a great year and look forward to seeing your clutches this year and will share our fun stuff as well.
Kind Regards,
Adam

>>You lost me with the 1/4's. Percentages may be in-favor of one or the other but when it comes to pairing unknowns it truly is 50/50 until we see what hatches given the clutch was big enough.

HI Adam,

It really is fun, isn't it!

I'm not sure where you're confused or I'm confused about fractions! Here was my logic about what the odds are that any snow from a triple het x triple het breeding might be a triple homozygous:

Triple hets work just like hets except that in triple hets, there are three different sets of het relationships working. The chances of the pair producing an albino are the same from a pair of triple hets as it is from a pair that is merely het albino. And breeding het/alb x het/alb, over a large sample the odds are:
1/4 of the babies will be normals (normal looking & no albino genes)
2/4 will be het/albino (normal looking but with a hidden albino gene)
1/4 will be albinos (showing albino because they have two albino genes)

(so in the example we were talking about, with snows from triple hets it's visually obvious they are both albino and anery, since they're snows; the question is, Are they also hypo?--which we don't know how to tell by looking)

the chances of any animal being a hypo goes by the same fractional odds as if you were "just" breeding het/hypo x het/hypo--because a triple het IS het/hypo, so the pairing--and expected results--are the same:

1/4 will be "normal" (ie., NO hypo gene)
2/4 will be het/hypo--one hypo gene
1/4 will BE hypo, homozygous hypo, with two hypo genes.

This is what i meant when i said that the statistical odds, genetically, are that 1/4 of the snows from triple het pairings will also be hypo (per above) and thus will be triple homozygous animals.

But if it still seems to you like a 50-50 chance like you said, explain how you're getting that, and I'll see what i'm overlooking. Always new stuff to figure out.

Thanks.

peace
terry