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What to do Locality V. Non Locality

Keith Hillson Mar 22, 2005 11:47 AM

Im torn on who to breed to who. The last 2 years Ive bred my Burlington Co., NJ female to my ancient Monmouth Co.,NJ male. The babies from these 2 are quite beautiful but I do now have a another Burl Co. female that I can use with the old Monmouth. The thing is she is a first time breeder so you never know how that will work out.

Whats more important to you Eastern fans out there
Locality?
Appearance?

Here is the male Im thinking of using. He was produced by Ted Thompson from a wildcaught Calvert Co., MD male and a big NC female.
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What would you guys do ? do a little selective breeding to make some killer super ultra white clean chains on a black-purple ground color or some classic black and white NJ Easterns. Here is a pic of the Burlington Co., NJ female. She is the cleanest Eastern King Ive ever seen her crossbars are as white as fresh snow. The MD/NC male and the old Monmouth both have ultra clean crossbars as well but if she is a 10 they are 9's. Any feedback is welcome.

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Replies (7)

bluerosy Mar 22, 2005 12:55 PM

create some kickazz Black & Whites

ZFelicien Mar 22, 2005 03:44 PM

Hey Rainer... is that one of your Hypo X Eastern X's?

~ZF

kw53 Mar 22, 2005 01:45 PM

Good one. Make us do the dirty work of deciding.....

OK. The old Monmouth Co male and the Burlington Co female you have been using have produced some of the finest clean, high-chained Easterns....maybe ever. I doubt that the market (myself included) will ever have enough Easterns of that caliber. Of the many pattern expressions of Eastern Kings, the ones from the Monmouth x Burlington pair are, IMO, the ne plus ultra of the quintessential look.

If I understand correctly the info in your earlier posts, that Burlington female has already paired with a VERY excellent male who is a MD x NC animal. While not locality animals, the offspring could be breathtaking. I suppose it adds a small something for me if I have locality specific animals, but truly, all my cb stuff comes from breeders who cherry-pick their pairings, same as me. These baby snakes are meant to be cherished by their human caretakers, and not intended to be released, ever. Why not pair two outstanding animals from the same range (I know--it's not the same population, but it is the same range, and very likely no worse than merely distant bits of the same ancestral gene pool)? I for one look foreward to see the offspring of the MD male and the NJ female. They will be pets, and no doubt will add to the lives of their keepers.

That said, I hope you will breed your Monmouth male to your new NJ female. CB locality animals are no more eligible for release than non-locality ones, but it's still an indefinable extra something to have locality animals of good quality. I'd like to see your old male continue to date, as it were, as long as he's able. He is an outstanding animal, and the more of his genes he leaves behind, the better for the cb population, I say. I get the impression you feel he might not be around for many more years, and there will be plenty of time to pair the younger animals with other males.

These concepts contribute to my breeding management in my collection, so I'm sharing. One other concept influences my pairing choices; success. If I have a pairing I know will produce outstanding babies, I repeat it, maybe for as long as I breed those animals. I for one am thrilled you chose the MD male for the NJ female--I think the offspring will be fantastic, and may launch a new fabulous line. Still, the Monmouth male and the Burlington female sure delivered the 10's. Maybe next year, if the old NJ male is still in a courtin' mood, perhaps you can contemplate reprising the pairing that made such beautiful music in the past.

Keith Hillson Mar 22, 2005 01:57 PM

Good points Kim. After this season I will be gifting the Monmouth to someone much like it was gifted to me (although I had to drive to Canada to get it lol). I worry that the younger Burlington wont produce in fact I threw her in with the male last night and she tried to kill him ! She is 2' smaller and almost took his old butt out lol. Im hoping this will change after her first shed which she has yet to have. Thanks for the feedback.

Keith
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kw53 Mar 22, 2005 05:42 PM

Is this like the Bottle Imp, where you part with it after a while? He will live on in the logo for your website, I suppose, and in his excellent babies. If you can, my vote is to pair him one more time with the Burlington female. True black, gleaming white--there can never be too many of those babies!!

JETZEN Mar 22, 2005 06:53 PM

I think Locality is most important but there's nothing wrong with good looking generics and crosses, IF that's what a hobbyist wants to do.

antelope Mar 23, 2005 02:31 AM

Keith, I would hit it one more time before moving on, but whatever you decide, I want on the list for sure!!! Really, spectacular animals!
Todd Hughes

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