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I am confused. I have heard from many sources, including Mike Wilbanks' article in Reptiles, that the Amber was produced from breeding a Pastel to a Cinnamon Pastel. It is my understanding that breeding these two visible hets together should produce 4 phenotypes - Pastel, Cinnamon Pastel, Pewter and Normal. So where does the Amber come from? I believe that, in a 25%,25%,25%,25% ratio this breeding should produce Pastel (Pastel/no Cinnamon Pastel), Pewter (Pastel & Cinnamon Pastel both present), Cinnamon Pastel(Cinnamon Pastel/no Pastel) and Normal (no Pastel/no Cinnamon Pastel). This does not allow anywhere for an Amber to appear. I do not think that a 4x4 punnett square applies here. Looking for thoughts......

Richard

I don't remember what the explanation was.. but I believe it was of the two following explanations:

a) cinnamon pastel x regular pastel
b) cinnamon pastel x yellow belly

if it was the cinnamon pastel x regular pastel, which I seem to think that's what the explanation was, it was from a different line of cinnamon pastels and not Greg Graziani's line and that is the reason that it did not produce a pewter. But I can't remember for sure...

Can somebody clear this up for us?

Thanks,
Bristen.

The Amber is the product of a Pastel Jungle bred to a wild caught animal that appears to be a Cinnamon Pastel. The Ambers were produced by Amir Soleymani and are now in Ralph Davis’s collection. I took one of our hatchling Pewter Pastels at the 2004 Daytona Expo over to Amirs’ table to compare them side by side. We then got Brian Barczyk to bring over one of his Pewters to also compare. The one thing that was the same on all of these animals was the heads. Now all of these were from different wild lines of Cinnamon Pastels and all had varying degrees of and orange, peach or salmon colored sides. I believe that they are all the same mutation that shows varying degrees of orange, peach or salmon color sides. The one thing that is obvious when you put them side by side is that the yellow has been removed in all of them. Let me make it clear that this is my opinion and I do not know if Amir, Brian and Ralph agree.
Graziani Reptiles Genetic Mutations Page

Thanks to both of you who answered. Greg, you have confirmed a suspicion that it was Cinnamon Pastel in one case "Black Pastel" in another and - I don't know about the third. I agree, however, that this seems to be the case. My confusion was in that I was told that an Amber was a "sibling" to a pewter. You suggest that this was not the case. Thanks again, Richard Fisher.