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Time to mobilize.......new thread about the potential ban on boas in North Carolina

gray Mar 26, 2005 09:41 AM

Fortunately the web site for the state senate in NC is very informative. I could easily find the date that Senate Bill #1032 was submitted and the fact that it went to the Judiciary II committee on 3/24. I was able to find the list of members for that committee. I created an email distribution list for the 20 senators on that committee. Below is my first draft of a letter to those memebers. I would appreciate constructive feedback. Please note that so far I feel like the best approach for myself is to isolate the issue to boas. I want to try my best to avoid sending them anything that they would consider inflammatory. I realize there is a broader issue of whether the government should be regulating ownership of animals when we have the freedoms to own & operate other things that are "inherently dangerous" (guns, cars, alcohol, etc.). Here is my letter:

Dear Senators,
I am writing to you due to my concerns with Senate Bill #1032. The title of this bill is “Protection of Inherently Dangerous Animals”. The intent of the bill appears to be the protection of the public from dangerous animals as well as protecting for the welfare of the animals themselves. While I would agree that some of the animal species listed would be unsuitable for public ownership, there is a particular species of animal that I believe to be unfairly targeted by a somewhat arbitrary provision in the bill. Under “Definitions”, part c, #2, there is inclusion of the following:

2.Family Boidae – all species whose adult length has the potential to exceed eight feet in length.

Under the strictest interpretation of this provision, the common boa constrictor would be included as an “inherently dangerous animal” and would be subject to this legislation. I have owned boa constrictors since I was seven years old and have maintained at least one pet boa for twenty-eight of my forty-one years. These animals have been in the pet trade since before my parents purchased my first boa in 1971. I currently maintain a collection of fifty-nine boa constrictors. I do keep and breed adult boa constrictors. My largest adult female is 7’ and 16 lbs., however, an exceptionally large specimen could exceed 8’. These animals are typically docile, acclimate well to captivity, and have modest husbandry requirements; in other words, they have qualities that qualify them as superior pets rather than inherently dangerous animals. By the year 2001, I had invested enough time and money into my hobby that I decided to incorporate as a business. In March of 2002, I officially incorporated with the state of North Carolina as All Boas LLC. I have an extensive web site that is viewed by about 100 people from all over the world everyday. The web site can be found at www.allboas.com.

For myself, boa constrictors have provided me with a lifelong fascination and hobby. In my professional life, I have served the state as a classroom teacher for 15 years. I taught chemistry for 7 years at Sanderson High School in Wake County and I am currently completing my 8th year teaching chemistry at Cary Academy. I point this out because my love of boas has definitely found its way into my classroom. I maintain 8 of my animals in my chemistry lab at school. I have a Reptile Club that has worked directly with these boas and have learned to appreciate the qualities that I have long known. The students have helped me assemble and present an exhibit entitled “The Boas of Cary Academy” at the annual Reptile & Amphibian Day at the Museum of Natural Sciences across the street from the General Assembly building. This is the largest event of its kind in the country and serves to educate thousands about the importance of reptiles and the threats they face in their natural habitats. Last year, the one day attendance topped 14,500 people. On a recent Saturday (March 12) we spent all day providing the public with the opportunity to meet, handle, and ask questions about boas. We served people of all ages. You can see some photos here: http://www.allboas.com/reptileday05.php. I also do school presentations to educate children about snakes. I think it is especially clear in these 54 photographs that boas are not inherently dangerous: http://www.allboas.com/show3.php. I would be thrilled to have the opportunity to make a similar presentation to your committee. Any and all questions would be appreciated. I can’t speak for the other animals on your list but I do have the expertise to address whether the boa constrictor belongs on the list. I will end with a quote from my web site:

“Education is the Key -
Our hobby is constantly threatened by government regulation & bans, shipping company policies, and the general devaluing of these animals by humans. In my opinion, our only real hope is to change people's minds one at a time. We know how special these animals are but we need to do the work necessary to educate others. It is hard work and takes lots of time but it is very rewarding and we (knowledgeable hobbyists) are the only people who can do it. Despite deeply entrenched cultural and personal biases against them, snakes have long fascinated humans. If you can get someone past their innate (or trained) fear of snakes, we will have one more person in the community who is willing to speak up for the rights of snakes and our rights as hobbyists.”

W. Gray Rushin
Chemistry Teacher (allatoms.com)
Boa Enthusiast (allboas.com)
Web Site Design & Services (sitecontrol247.com)

Replies (19)

bthacker Mar 26, 2005 11:11 AM

I just hope they take the time to read it. I would really like to know what is causing people to ban these animals. Are they under pressure from other groups such as PETA? I rarely ever hear of anything in the news where I live regarding "dangerous reptiles". I hear about people getting attacked by canines quite a bit.

I wish you the best in your efforts to inform the comittee.

I think your letter looks great and I wouldn't change a thing!

gray Mar 26, 2005 12:59 PM

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ajfreptiles Mar 26, 2005 01:54 PM

That's the whole issue with PETA, they are actually the ones behind most of these proposals. They just passed this as a law in NY state Jan. 1st 2005, the boid family was included the same in the proposal you have, but one of the guys here in NY named Tom Houdak was able to get the bill amended to only state large species such as Retics, burms and Anacondas. It was still a great loss, but once these proposals go up, the only choice left is negotiate for a reduction in what the bill contains.

The agenda for groups like the humane society, Peta, animal liberation front, and countless others...which I might add, are all tied in to each other. Their real agenda is to stop the sale,use, keeping and breeding and eating of all animals period.

The only hope we have is major advertising, educating and the general public to become aware of these organizations as threatening terorist oporations here in the US. If you think that to be a strong statement just go to the PETA website and see what their leadership is telling their people...how it's OK to use whatever means necessary to stop any animal use at all, even if it means useing bombs and fires.

These organizations are not there to help the animals...they just prey on peoples emotions to get what they really want.

Animal enthusiasts, and Sportsman, and Farmers all across the country need to unite! There is power in numbers...we could defeat them....but unity and knowledge is the only way!

Andy Federico

SnakeMike Mar 26, 2005 02:40 PM

Hi,
This PETA to your average person sounds like a good thing. One would think that any org. that protects animals must be good. However, after reading these threads I briefly visited PETA's web site and came away realizing these people are fanatics that place any animal's life above people. I could not believe these people are actually saving and protecting city rats. What's next... protecting roaches? After all, they are animals. What's needed is a stronger union of reptile enthusiests to counter these wackos. As far as I know my home state doesn't even have an active herp society(Md.). I think it's time for a larger organization of herp people(something nation wide) before all our rights are taken. Thanks for listening.
SnakeMike

ChrisGilbert Mar 26, 2005 11:17 AM

Brilliantly written!

As a high school student I have done as much as I can to positively represent Boas in the school, and community. Last year attending an event at our public library which we displayed many untraditional pets. We gave demonstrations, and answered questions. Any person a little questionable about any of the animals left there entirely changed. On another note the High School I attend is also the alma matter of PA state Congressman Tim Murphy' daughter. I tried in the past to establish a reptile club with no success. However, I am working with my biology teacher to better educate people. We are going to try and get a large presentation in the auditorium for the public, and anyone wishing to attend. I will also send a private invitation to COngressman Murphy for his attendance. I am hopeful that preventative action will aid my states legislature in the continued allowance of Boa constritor ssp. and many other reptiles.

gray Mar 26, 2005 01:02 PM

...and in your community. You are off to a great start at an early age. Unfortunate that you've been stymied in your efforts to start a Reptile Club. We could use you to add some balance....our club meetings are often 100% female.
gray

ChrisGilbert Mar 26, 2005 08:17 PM

Thanks, I have noticed the girls seem more intrigued.

joeysgreen Mar 26, 2005 11:20 AM

I think it's great too, a suggestion;

While it is easy to ban large family's like boidae or all snakes longer than 8 feet it sure rules out some fantastic pets.
May I suggest what my province of Alberta has had in place for 10-15 years or so? They went to the work of listing Every illegal to keep species by scientific name, and common name. Of course there are a few controversial species, but the list makers had there reasons.

The best part of my suggestion is that the work is already done for your politicians. They can contact the Alberta government (I"m sure they have connections) or I have the list myself if you'd like. A quick summary however is, no native, no large, and no venomous. Rather strict, but dedicated keepers get zoo permits.

gray Mar 26, 2005 01:04 PM

I will do some research and see if I can find other places where policies are reasonable. Thanks.
gray

drimes Mar 26, 2005 11:42 AM

Hey Gray,
I think your letter covers the subject pretty well. There are many things in our daily lives that are far more dangerous than the keeping of reptiles. I am sure it is a sensitive topic, especially in North Carolina, but you might bring up the issue of tobacco. How many lives does tobacco use affect annually? My guess is more people die or suffer health problems in North Carolina alone every year from tobacco use that reptiles injure or kill worldwide!

Anyhow Gray, I am a registered and active voter residing in Florida so if I may be of any assistance to you at all please let me know. I'll even travel to Raleigh to help with your presentation to the legislature, if it comes to pass.

Denny Rimes
fellow boa enthusiast

Oh, and if you couldn't tell by the post I am definitely NOT a tobacco user!

bthacker Mar 26, 2005 12:38 PM

Yeah....I don't know if that would be such a good idea. Isn't tobacco one of North Carolinas largest crops and source of income for the state? You might have some old hardliners take offense.

I totally agree with you though I just don't think it would need to be brought into the addressing of the ban.

I quit smoking cigarettes after close to 15 years(best thing I have done for myself along with quitting drinking). I believe people should be able to make their own choices but I don't understand how keeping reptiles harms anyone?

I haven't heard of anyone getting eaten or dying from a non-venomous reptile ever in the U.S. Maybe somebody's poor little pooch but people get maimed and killed everyday from dogs. But it's OK because dogs are sweet and friendly and "man's best friend". We need to tell these folks that our animals are our best friends. There are by far more reponsible herp owners than not. That message needs to be delivered.

gray Mar 26, 2005 01:09 PM

.....I would have to be very careful. If the senator represents a district that includes tobacco farmers that could be dangerous. If the senator represents a district that is/was involved in cigarette manufacturing that could be dangerous. Hey wait a minute.....there are no districts left!!! Not that bad but it would rule out most of eastern NC as well as the areas around Durham, Greensboro, and Winston-Salem. However Denny, you are on the money....any rational risk/benefit analysis would make it obvious that they are putting their efforts into a very minor problem.

madisonrecords Mar 26, 2005 01:41 PM

Nice to see you around, it is great that you are going out of your way, to try and make a difference. I always knew, that you were one of the good guys. I was going to share some info on what I had found out, but these guys were to busy making fun of my " Hillbilly Spelling " to let me share. I have not talked to you in a while and I hope that things are going good for you and your family. I will try and call you in a little while, to discuss my findings with you. Is your number still the same? If not, shoot me a E-mail.......madisonrecords@comcast.net.........GOD BLESS......John Johnson " Johnson Herp "

gray Mar 26, 2005 02:54 PM

.....I appreciate your insight and experience. Hopefully we can make a difference. I'll keep you updated.
gray

madisonrecords Mar 26, 2005 04:47 PM

It always comes down to " can one man make a difference? " I still like to believe that he can. Like we discussed over the phone, there is alot of different aspects to this and many different ways to approach it and giving the lawmakers a little briefing on Reptile education, could go a long way or at the very least, will be a start.Your efforts are commended and maybe some people around here can mature a little bit and try to put togehter some solutions, instead of worrying about putting on a spelling bee. United we can stand, but devided, we will fall. (Differences of opinions is NOT a example of division, put critisism of anothers opinion, definately is.) Agree to disagree and move on. Anything, that I can do to be of help Grey will definately be done......GOD BLESS.......Johnson Herp

ajfreptiles Mar 26, 2005 02:21 PM

That's the whole issue with PETA, they are actually the ones behind most of these proposals. They just passed this as a law in NY state Jan. 1st 2005, the boid family was included the same in the proposal you have, but one of the guys here in NY named Tom Houdak was able to get the bill amended to only state large species such as Retics, burms and Anacondas. It was still a great loss, but once these proposals go up, the only choice left is negotiate for a reduction in what the bill contains.

The agenda for groups like the humane society, Peta, animal liberation front, and countless others...which I might add, are all tied in to each other. Their real agenda is to stop the sale,use, keeping and breeding and eating of all animals period.

The only hope we have is major advertising, educating and the general public to become aware of these organizations as threatening terorist oporations here in the US. If you think that to be a strong statement just go to the PETA website and see what their leadership is telling their people...how it's OK to use whatever means necessary to stop any animal use at all, even if it means useing bombs and fires.

These organizations are not there to help the animals...they just prey on peoples emotions to get what they really want.

Animal enthusiasts, and Sportsman, and Farmers all across the country need to unite! There is power in numbers...we could defeat them....but unity and knowledge is the only way!

Andy Federico

gray Mar 26, 2005 02:56 PM

....had any influence on the sponser of this bill. It would be interesting to find out what motivated him to write and sponsor this particular bill. It may have just been one personal experience where someone he knew was injured by an "exotic" pet. Thanks for sharing Andy.
gray

topnotchboas Mar 26, 2005 02:41 PM

And I applaude you for your efforts.

Keeping it boa specific is the best way to go in my opinion. You kept it to the point and didnt stray off topic. I wouldnt change a thing.

I am sure it will make a difference.

Good Luck! Viva La Résistance!

gray Mar 26, 2005 02:57 PM

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