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Here are a few more photos of one of my females. The two girls I bought last June are sisters. Their parents were purchased from VPI, and are believed to be "pure". We all can dispute that word. The photos may be mixed and matched of both girls. I just separated them today, again that can be open to argument as well. But from now on (though there were no problems) they will be separate. Sorry for the poor photos

This picture was taken July 11th, she was about 8 weeks old

The rest were taken today indoors, with a sorry UV reptile bulb.

Here is a photo of my 5 year old male. He is patiently waiting for the ladies.

Matt,
I strongly feel that those two girls are not pure WPs.
The head structure is quite different than typical WPs. Much more like a coastal. And the tendency for lateral striping is something rarely, if ever, seen in WPs. And the pic of the one at 8 weeks is showing body and eye color not indicative of a pure WP. At 8 weeks, a pure WP is still very red in color. You can see the difference for yourself in comparison with your male. I assume you already were questioning these two girls background.
Where did you pick those girls up from? I know of a few clutches of WP X Coastals produced last year.
Pretty snakes nonetheless!

-Yasser
SR

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Thanks for taking a look. Yes, I have been thinking for a few months that these were hybrids of some sort. I emailed the people I bought from (I dont' want to identify here), and they contacted the producer. I was told when I bought them by the seller that they had personally seen the parents and were quality. THe producer told them last week after I inquired that his adults came from VPI, and he has no reason to believe they are not "pure". I questioned it because it only takes one pairing to produce in theory. If he had a couple of carpets together for even a short period of time.

I still like them, but not what I was going for.

Matt

I agree with Yasser.

Although their color isn't quite right, color can be tough to decipher in photos, so I ignored that and looked at things like pattern and physical structure. The nostrils aren't flared like they should be on a WP (or even on a Jungle) and the head is more elongated, so the head structure was the first red flag to me as being indicative of Coastal influence. There's also the lateral striping, which is another trait typical of mcdowelli.

I don't intend any offense by this post, as I do honestly think those are really good looking Carpets. I have nothing against crosses, so I'm just being realistic and unbiased about what I think they are.

What's funny is that the self-proclaimed purists out there want to crucify the guys who are advertising their animals as intergrades or hybrids, yet this is the kind of stuff being sold as pure. lol

When I see animals like those sold as pure, it just furthers my stance on documentation of animals. Whether someone is for or against crosses, this is the kind of thing that makes documentation so vitally important. I have no problem with crosses, but I want to know as much as possible about all my animals, pure and "designer" alike.

Just my .02

-Anthony

>>Matt,
>>I strongly feel that those two girls are not pure WPs.
>>The head structure is quite different than typical WPs. Much more like a coastal. And the tendency for lateral striping is something rarely, if ever, seen in WPs. And the pic of the one at 8 weeks is showing body and eye color not indicative of a pure WP. At 8 weeks, a pure WP is still very red in color. You can see the difference for yourself in comparison with your male. I assume you already were questioning these two girls background.
>>Where did you pick those girls up from? I know of a few clutches of WP X Coastals produced last year.
>>Pretty snakes nonetheless!
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>>-Yasser
>>SR
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Anthony Caponetto
www.ACreptiles.com

Thanks Anthony. I just wanted more input. As I didn't believe they were WP either. You win some and you lose some. I got what I deserved, took someone's word on it. Better luck next time. Still nice snakes, just not what I was going after.

Matt

Those females look great and the male's color is very nice.
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Jaremy Douglas