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Sorry if this ques has been answered before, but I didn't find any results when I did a search.

I had never seen a green crested gecko before tonight. I found one at a local pet shop. Male, about 30g I'd say. Anyways - he blew me out of the water! I've never seen anything like him. And by green, I am talking about the color of grass, not olive. I held him for about 5 min and the green started to turn almost black. He is a flame- very nice yellowy white patterns. I didn't buy him.. I wanted to check in to it first.. I already have too many males. Are green flames hard to come by?

Thanks in advance,
Hailey

Kinda, Pangea Reptiles Co. breeds them.

i'd have to see a picture or see one in person to believe that there is such thing as a " grass" green crested gecko. it's been covered quite extensively that cresteds lack the skin pigments BLUE, and GREEN. with no mix of blue ( and the pigment they do contain which is yellow) and no pigment of green, there is no way to get a GREEN crested. besides, if there was such a thing, wouldn't you think that the man that has the largest rhac. population in the U.S. would have some or be working on some that are good enough to brag about? i'm not trying to come off as a jerk, but it's not possible to get a grass green crested.
we have talked about " olive" cresteds which are made up of a yellow and brown pigmentation.

"Grass" was the closest color I could relate his to. It was a high contrast green. I have seen photo's of olive crestie's, with a somewhat muddy brown tint.. and he was absolutely nothing like that. After about 5 min of holding him, he turned an almost black color. He reminded me of a super dark flame. I have seen the olive crestie's go dark.. and they turn a dark brown color. This guy was different than any I've ever seen. I even spent about an hour last night searching the web to find something similar. The green flame on Pangarea's site was similar, but the one I saw had darker coloration/more contrast. I don't know - he was so bizarre! I have NEVER seen anything like him. I wanted to check in to it before I bought him though.. I figured, maybe I just have never seen them, because I never found them of interest before.

I know you aren't trying to come off bad.. but I did look into some of the bigger sites.. One thing I took notice to was the consistency in projects... I saw mostly Reds, Oranges, and extreme morphs with these colors. I really didn't see anything 'dark'. It looked to me as if light and bright were the biggest projects right now. Which is actually everything I have in my own collection.... hence why I wondered if I never noticed a green because it was never of interest to me before.

I'll probably go back to the store today and ponder it (I really DON'T have the money for another crestie.. we have so many projects going right now, that if I did max out the credit cards - I'd have to give my other half a much better reason. I've asked him to go down with me today and take a look.. )

If I buy him, I will obviously post pics asap.

THanks for the replies,
Hailey

I would love to see that gecko - After reading your post I looked through some of the photos in the gallery and couldn't find anything really green. Some of the ones that looked green at first seemed to be camera error or something, since the other things in the photo looked to have had color removed... Maybe it's just my monitor...
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Toni

1.0.0 Uromastyx - Draco
1.0.0 Ball Python - Vilthrul
1.2.0 Giant African Millipedes - Cocoa, Vanilla, Millie
1.0.0 Crested Gecko - Hoolie
0.0.1 Eastern Milk Snake - Slither
2.1.8 Hissing Cockroaches - Diamond, Emerald, Ruby and kids

grass green

I own what I would consider to be a green flame. I know that technically his background color is olive as cresteds lack blue pigment. However, if you catch him at his best, the yellow really shows through the brown producing a color that I would best describe as lime green. This background color contrasting with bright orange pattern makes for a stunning animal. I would post a picture, but I don't have any at the moment and I have always had trouble capturing his true color with my camera. I would consider nice looking "green" cresteds to be quite rare. I should be breeding some of my male's offspring back to him soon to see if the green breeds true. If this "green" male is reasonably priced, I'd invest the money in him. They really are stunning animals.

Brian

lime green, please if you're going to call something " green" atleast pick a color ( that is given a name) that shows it's true coloration. there are animals that are LIME green, and GRASS green, however cresteds are not one of them so get over it.

Many herps are described using color names that they technically are not. For example, Eastern Indigos are not really indigo, they're black, but if the light hits them just right, they give off the appearance of a real deep bluish purple. Just calling them a black snake would not do them justice. Anyone who has seen one in person would recognize this. The colors of reptiles are often very complex and can not necessarily be described in terms of their actual components. Scales can have a strange way of altering an animals true colors. I know my crested is not green because I have been told that they are not capable of producing blue pigments. However, calling it olive would not be accurate in my oppinion. Olive is a drab color and that just doesn't describe what I see when I look at my gecko. Lime green is the best description I can convey in words. I will try to post a picture soon.

Brian

p.s. When I say lime green I'm talking more like an actual lime, not a crayola crayon.

Brian

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i have to see a pic, that color simply does not exist in crested geckos, it has never been documented and as far as i know it isnt even possible.

are you sure what you saw wasn't a giant day gecko?
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as i posted below, my intentions here were to persuade you into using different shades of green other than, lime, or grass. it just doesn't make sense and is very misleading.
as for an indigo snake, a rainbow boa.... ( many other snakes) have a very oily texture and an oily look to their scales. when the light hits them they do appear to be the colors as described such as " indigo", which is a dark blue to grayish purple blue.
i currently own a " blue" tegu which infact is black and white with a very, very slight tint of blue to it ( under the right lighting). i however am not calling my blue tegu " royal" blue just because it shows some very slight blue colorations.

in the future i would suggest choosing better discriptive terminology that does not misrepresent your animal's coloration. i'm sure we can all come to the conclusion that your crested gecko truly is not lime, or grass green which is what this topic is truly about.

I do applogize for inquiring about this, as obviously this seems to get some people a little upset? I did go back to the store today and purchase the crestie of topic. Here are a few pics of him straight out of the box. I will work on getting pictures of him when he is content.. his coloration was much brighter before the car ride home.

straight out of the box

Same pose.. a few minutes have elapsed. He is getting more stressed.. turning darker here

This crested looks nearly identical to mine when he's in his dark phase. When he's out hunting at night, he brightens up to a yellowish "green." I don't understand why using the term green to describe a crested gecko is such a problem to people. It is merely a descriptive term used to represent the outward appearance of these animals. I am not alone in my oppinion that these animals look green, regardless of the chemical composition of their skin pigments. It is merely the best description available. So let's stop acting like school children out to best the other and agree that crested geckos can APPEAR green. If you doubt this, you obviously have not seen one firsthand.

Brian

i'm not acting like a child. there are about 30 other people on here who just aren't saying anything because they've already gone over it like 20 times in the past 6 months. it's not a green crested. it is a nice, flamed crested on a BROWN background. i'm not getting upset either, i'm just stating that you are seeing what you want to see and that your gecko truly is not green.

let's look at a definition real quick. " green: The hue of that portion of the visible spectrum lying between yellow and blue, evoked in the human observer by radiant energy with wavelengths of approximately 490 to 570 nanometers; any of a group of colors that may vary in lightness and saturation and whose hue is that of the emerald or somewhat less yellow than that of growing grass; one of the additive or light primaries; one of the psychological primary hues.
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the first sentence makes my previous posts perfectly true, and very apparent. yellow BLUE=green

sorry, i meant first posts, not first sentence

Naming species, phases, and morphs of animals using descriptive terms is a very common practice in herpetoculture. No one argues over whether or not a burmese python is green yet they possess no blue pigment. I understand the definition of green, I am not refuting this. All I am claiming is that my gecko LOOKS green. I am not saying this because I want to believe it. Many others who have no interest or investments in crested geckos have described him in the same way. This is an oppinion, not scientific fact. I do not need to analyze my gecko's skin with a mass spectrometer in order to call him green. He looks green to me and all who have seen him, therefore he is green and I see no harm in describing him as so. Your childishness resides not in your argument but in your rudeness and sarcasm. I enjoy an engaging debate, but there is no need for such behavior.

Brian

np

Point taken about the cresties lacking blue pigment. And upon further research, I have also learned that yes, my crestie falls into the brown category. I found this website... http://www.geckoworld.co.uk/care_r.ciliatus.htm
Under the "Brown Group" it says..."Olive - This morph can vary from very dark to almost pastel, and to the untrained eye, could sometimes be described as green. The colour we know as olive in painting, is actually a combination of yellow and black, but contains no blue pigment as a true green (green is a combination of yellow and blue). That green tint you see in many other colour morphs seems to be this olive colour". I did not depict my gecko as olive colored, but as it states.. "to the untrained eye"..

I know little about the species. I own 3 breeding pairs, my first was aquired 1 1/2yrs ago. They are all red/orange and yellow tones. I had never seen one with a green hue before this past weekend. I don't care that he is technically 'not green'.. what matters most to me is that I've never seen another like him. He is very unique to me. I think he is probably one of my luckiest finds. I think if you saw him in person, you would agree. He is quite awesome!

Thanks to all that replied to my post.

Regardless of what your deal is in putting these people down, you are acting outwardly rude towards them for no apparent reason. while the community does recognize the fact that there are no "TRUE" green cresteds, when i look at these animals, i see a darker "green" animal, the pictures he posted show this. so yes while its true its color is not "green" they DO, look GREEN, so if this person wants to call their crested GREEN. than by all means seem fine to me.
BTW, if i ever see a "green" crested for sale, that interests me, i will buy that "green" crested.

And while i recognize its not truels green, grass green, crayola crayon green or whatever textbook color green you want to flaunt at these people, i will still call it GREEEEEEN!
why does this concept seem so hard for you to grasp?

one more time i want to state that i know/have known, that there are no TRUE green cresteds. but that is not the point the animal looks green so leave it alone.

Andrew Ellis

my entire point of everything i have posted would be to pick a better " shade" of green to describe these animals under. they may appear to be a shade or hue of " green" but they sure as heck are not grass green or lime green. and before you start calling people childish, maybe you should re-read how foolish the shades of colors they chose to describe their animals are. please also read my response to pinkerton's post above about indigo racers.

I do not see my description as at all "foolish." As I described earlier, my gecko can display a very bright yellowish green. Therefore, I used a color name commonly known to lie in the yellow-green range to describe him. The original poster described her gecko as a deep green and thus used the descriptor "grass green." These descriptions were used by both of us to hint at the subtle nuances on the "green" theme. They each describe a different shade that is easily identifiable with the reader. While these colors may not be dead-on accurate they do convey more information than simply saying green, bright olive (an oxymoron in my oppinion), or even brown as suggested earlier. Again, I see no harm in using these terms to describe a morph. It is common practice in herpetoculture, and I see no reason why it cannot be applied here.

Brian

p.s. While I appreciate the debators on both sides of the argument, please try to remain civil. This is a forum designed for hobbiests to share information and oppinions, not insult each other.

Well - not that y'all are waiting around for my 2 cents, but the 'flames' are not on fire, the 'moonglows' don't glow and I'm not going to try eating any of Anthony's Creamsicles anytime soon...

Rock on, 'Greenie'
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Toni

1.0.0 Uromastyx - Draco
1.0.0 Ball Python - Vilthrul
1.2.0 Giant African Millipedes - Cocoa, Vanilla, Millie
1.0.0 Crested Gecko - Hoolie
0.0.1 Eastern Milk Snake - Slither
2.1.8 Hissing Cockroaches - Diamond, Emerald, Ruby and kids

Good thing you specified "Anthony's creamsicles" because no one else has them. He probably wouldn't let you eat one anyway.

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2.3.6 crested geckos (Speckles, Sandy, Squirt, Sunshine, Soldier and six un-named babies)
0.0.1 Striped Cal. Kingsnake (Snuggles)
1.1.0 Green Iguanas (Sisco,Speedy)
0.1.0 Rose Hair Tanrantula (Sweets)
RIP Star and Sal

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hmmmm....

Just for the record, since it's not easy to tell tone of voice in written form, I didn't mean anything like calling Anthony out about his Creamsicles. I was just trying to make a point (which may have been lost) that names are not always literal and that - in my humble opinion - green was close enough.

(I think some other people might agree with that, based on the suggested "morph names" for that Pangea crested that's up for naming at the moment.)

In any event - I don't know Anthony personally, but in every contact I've had with him he's been friendly and professional, and the posts I've read from him on here and Repashy's site have been very informative.

I certainly didn't mean to give an opening for Creamsicle-bashing...

Take care, all.
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Toni

1.0.0 Uromastyx - Draco
1.0.0 Ball Python - Vilthrul
1.2.0 Giant African Millipedes - Cocoa, Vanilla, Millie
1.0.0 Crested Gecko - Hoolie
0.0.1 Eastern Milk Snake - Slither
2.1.8 Hissing Cockroaches - Diamond, Emerald, Ruby and kids

lol no no no. It was from a conversation a long time ago. It was exactly the same as the "green" conversation, but about creamsicles. I think there was one on tigers also. Basically all these conversations say is nobody can say what color their geckos are. If you do and it's in this forum, be prepared to be ripped a new one.
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2.3.6 crested geckos (Speckles, Sandy, Squirt, Sunshine, Soldier and six un-named babies)
0.0.1 Striped Cal. Kingsnake (Snuggles)
1.1.0 Green Iguanas (Sisco,Speedy)
0.1.0 Rose Hair Tanrantula (Sweets)
RIP Star and Sal

That would be the one.
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2.3.6 crested geckos (Speckles, Sandy, Squirt, Sunshine, Soldier and six un-named babies)
0.0.1 Striped Cal. Kingsnake (Snuggles)
1.1.0 Green Iguanas (Sisco,Speedy)
0.1.0 Rose Hair Tanrantula (Sweets)
RIP Star and Sal

Well try using the word "creamsicle" or "marbled"...good luck with that.
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2.3.6 crested geckos (Speckles, Sandy, Squirt, Sunshine, Soldier and six un-named babies)
0.0.1 Striped Cal. Kingsnake (Snuggles)
1.1.0 Green Iguanas (Sisco,Speedy)
0.1.0 Rose Hair Tanrantula (Sweets)
RIP Star and Sal

you did get nailed pretty good for that. i'd say your gecko is closer to a creamsicle than these are to grass or lime green though.

Yes I did! lol. Oh well. I reverted the morph name to "creamish-sicle". I think the only morphs people can say and be "right" about (comparing to repashy's book) are dalmation, flame and harlequin. Alot of "tigers" aren't tigers. creamsicles aren't creamsicles, greens are NOT green, due to the fact that it is genetically imposible. I'm still waiting for an amelanistic crested. I know someone's got one!

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2.3.6 crested geckos (Speckles, Sandy, Squirt, Sunshine, Soldier and six un-named babies)
0.0.1 Striped Cal. Kingsnake (Snuggles)
1.1.0 Green Iguanas (Sisco,Speedy)
0.1.0 Rose Hair Tanrantula (Sweets)
RIP Star and Sal

O.k.....after being on vacation for the past 10 days, I caught up on the posts re: this gecko. I actually saw him today and semantics aside, he's the greenest crested I've ever seen, outside of Pangas web site. VERY nice find! I'd love to see the offspring from him, especially if you could get your hands on a similar female.

Just kidding.

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2.3.6 crested geckos (Speckles, Sandy, Squirt, Sunshine, Soldier and six un-named babies)
0.0.1 Striped Cal. Kingsnake (Snuggles)
1.1.0 Green Iguanas (Sisco,Speedy)
0.1.0 Rose Hair Tanrantula (Sweets)
RIP Star and Sal