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if i took a male tremper giant and bred it to regular sized patternless females and got normal leos het for tremper giant albino and patternless then bred the babies together, would it be possible to create giant patternless alinos (tremper strain)??? if it is possible would it be worth trying to produce them or should i just stick with regular sized leos??? thanx and let me know.

I think your best bet would be to buy a tremper PA from Garrick and then breed that to a giant and go from there...the reason i say this is because of all the breeding people such as garrick had to do to achieve a normal tremper PA
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>>I think your best bet would be to buy a tremper PA from Garrick and then breed that to a giant and go from there...the reason i say this is because of all the breeding people such as garrick had to do to achieve a normal tremper PA
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Your gonna have a tough enough time producing a Tremper Patternless Albino. If you did actually happen to produce one, there is a chance it wouldnt be giant, and a chance it wouldnt be. Not sure how you would tell the difference. Adding the 3rd gene(giant) when trying to produce a Tremper Patternless Albino, sounds like it would just complicate things even more.
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PA is only 2-3 inches in length when born and a giant PA would be 4-5 inches in length and their bodies are more elongated and the tail is longer. i am not quite sure i know what you meen. can you elaborate???

I am pretty sure you knew what I meant, as you just explained how you would tell the difference. I wouldnt invest in the giant leos. I dont see the big deal about them, as large leos arent that uncommon(i have a large one myself). If I was spending $200 on a leo, it wouldnt be a leo that is an inch or two bigger than all others. Plus, almost all the giants I have seen or heard of(besides Moose) is only 10 inches or so, and that isnt anything out of the ordinary at all.
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It is just my opinion. I dont think Giants would be something to invest in. I would rather invest in a line-bred trait, because you can improve on them. The thing I dont understand about Giants is that, it's said that as they are bred, the offspring will just get bigger, well how can this be if it is a recessive trait. Look at it this way, if we took two brown albinos(who never had tang influence) and bred them together, we would get brown albinos. They wouldnt get brighter and brighter because we kept breeding the brown albinos together. It is the same as giants, because they are both recessive genes. Recessive genes wont change, unless they are outbred to other morphs, like breeding an albino with a tang. This is how we eventually get tang albinos. But how could we make the giant bigger, what will we outcross it too?? I would say get some bell or rainwater albinos, trempers, IMO, are already being worked with by so many people, that by the time you get some awesome tangs they will just be the norm. So after you either have some female bells or rainwaters, get a nice male tang carrottail and breed him to the albino females. And just selective breed from there, to get some nice tang albinos. It doesnt really matter which line albino you work with, but bells and rainwaters are my favorite, and trempers are pretty common. Of course, this is only my opinion.
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opinions. is it possible to create a tangerine patternless????? or should i just go with albino tangerines??? thanx.

i think tang patt is a better project, there arnt too many people working with them, i myself, im not buying any geckos till the Blazings come out, i wanna be one of the first people to get them. its really a bad idea to breed extremly common morphs, cos' it can be hard to find outlets. if you want to breed seriously, try to get "cutting edge" animals, or not so common species.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

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you will have even more variations and different types of leos that can be produced from this project. you wouldn't know what was het for what but you would know when you had a PA and when you had a giant PA or a giant anything. you would also know when you got patternless and albinos. you just could never tell what all they were het for! it would make an amasing breeding project and i am just looking for some other peoples opinions. so tell me what you think.