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veiled breeding

dan-binderup Apr 03, 2005 01:08 PM

Hey
I just got a female veiled (1½ years) and a really big one. I tried to interduce the female to the male, put she didn´t want anything to do with him, she was trying to bite him, so I naturally removed her. Is it normal for the female to act like this? will she come around, or should I expect that she´ll never have anything to do with him? (the male i about one year of age). so both animals should be in their prime.... (they sure looks like that.) the male is dying to mate her.

Hope to hear from ypou guys soon.

best regards
Dan Binderup

Replies (5)

gonexenopus Apr 03, 2005 03:49 PM

she is obviously NOT ready to breed! do you know the signs of when she is gravid and ready to mate? veilds shouldnt be kept together in the same enclousure, except when mating and thats it. i know they do not enjoy each other, especially males and females not in the mood.

i plan on breeding veilds in the future, but i'm continuing to do lots of research on it first

rachel
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Anthonyd Apr 03, 2005 04:54 PM

First of all, your female isn't in her prime. If she has bred beofore, atleast multiple times, she is nearing her end, as female veileds that are bred generally do not live much longer that 1.5 -2 years, as males can live as long as 7 years. At her age I wouldn't expext to get more than a clutch, MAYBE 2 AT MOST out of her. If she neer breeds for you, I wouldn't be to surprized. But, no she isn't ready to breed yet if she is gaping at him. If she is receptive, there should be NO aggression what so ever. Receptive females generally sport a robins egg blue, usually dots. I have had several female veileds, and some showed it, and some didn't. Generally how I know is when females are receptive, they become VERY "docile" and submissive. Since I often take her their trees out to clean their cages, they usually his and gape, but when the don't, I try to pick them up, and almost always, they show no aggression. Then I place them in with a male, and in a matter of seconds, they are mating. There is virtually no courtship with veileds, the male just rushes her to copulate. If she is receptive, they will mate. Veileds are not picky about their mates as are some cham species. good luck.

Anthony

eric adrignola Apr 03, 2005 08:04 PM

Female veileds can live 3-5 years easy, if not over-fed and over-bred. I never breed my females until they are at least 12 months old. If over fed, they develop many more eggs, and will live much shorter lives as a result. If she was bred by a breeder, there's a good chance she's partially burned out - commercial breeders try to get as many eggs out of each female at a time(50-80 eggs a clutch). These females usually never survive their second or third clutch. However, if she was fed modestly, and produced normal clutch sizes, she' got potential to live another 2 -3 years or so. Just make sure you don't over feed her. Give them a large amount of plant matter and cut back on the insects - you'll see egg numbers drop, and hatchling size increase. She'll also recover from laying much faster.

When you incubate the eggs - you can do it in the mid 80's, or in the low-mid 70's. 80-'s hatches them out faster, but smaller. 70's is slower (7-8 months for my guys) but they're much, much bigger and stronger. I don't even use an incubator - just a plastic shoebox in a closet.

Veilds will not show any courtship behavior in normal captive situations -as in housed separatly. If you allow the male and female to cohabitate(don't even ask how big of an enclosure you need for THAT!), you'll see they have a very elaborate courtship ritual, and are in fact a very sociable species at certain times. Males will show off pretty often, but they learn that a non-receptive female is left alone. If housed separatly, they don't know, and will literally rape a female if given the chance.
A male that is used to females will not rush in- he'll flare up, go crazy with colors, and really show off - they do this spring thing with their tail that's really neat. They bob their head, shake, go crazy - it's awesome. More importantly, a male that rushes in is not likely to impress the females - a male that goes through the display will make a semi-receptive female relax. They tend to become receptive when housed in proximity with dispalaying males.

I spent hundreds of dollars on an outdoor cage years ago for my veileds - I made a 12'x8'x8' screen cage to house a trio oudoors in the summer, and it was awesome. After a few hours, the male left the females alone. When they became receptive, they would move up the trees to his level. They'd do the whole courtship displays for days. The females would sleep next to him after they were gravid, until they had to lay eggs. It was pretty neat.

Chameleons are very social creatures - they just need to have the right amount of space.

Eric A

Melisondra Apr 03, 2005 07:57 PM

As everyone else is saying, if she is gaping then no she isnt ready to breed.
One thing I wanted to check is, you said you just got her? If it has been less than a week or so since you received her, you might want to hold off on the breeding for a bit and let her get used to her new setup. She will probably be pretty stressed out as it is, and wont want anything to do with a male.
As for breeding them, just take it slow. Make sure she is as comfortable as possible in her new setup, and just introduce her to the male every week or so, and they eventually should mate.

Erin
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dan-binderup Apr 04, 2005 04:41 AM

Hey.
tahnks for all the replies. some of you got the idea that I am housing thme together. that is not the case. the two animals are housed seperatly. as far as I know the female hasn´t been bred before. here is a pic. of the lady and the sire.
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