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been building a cage for my rough neck

JM Apr 05, 2005 09:47 PM

Thanks for the advice last week on cage demensions. I've been working HARD on a cage~ and just felt like putting up a pic of the progress (I'm too tired and need to take care of some other chores so have to take a break on it for a few days) It's 6'X6' by 2'wide inside measurements. Outside measurement is a bit larger. It's going to have sliding glass shower doors (Most expensive part of the cage to get nice clear glass doors) in that large hole in the front. I'll finish the trim and stain the oak hopefully this weekend.

Heres a pic of my son standing next to the unfinished cage (the boy is 5'10" tall~ good looking kid aint he!)

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Cheryl Marchek
AKA JM
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The Red Dragons Den

Replies (9)

JPsShadow Apr 05, 2005 11:02 PM

Now don't get me wrong it looks nice, but looks only matter to us.

I would say your monitor would prefer a little more square footage (room to turn around in). My biggest male is over 4 foot easily. Unless of course this is a raise up cage then disregard my concerns.

JM Apr 05, 2005 11:39 PM

No~ it's a permanent cage. I'm invested at about $600 and more labor than I would have imagined on it at this point. Unfortunately no one suggested that 2' was not deep enough when I asked for opinions last week. I was given examples of 2', 28" and 3'~ but no one suggested any of those widths were inadequate.

At this point it's too late to change the demensions. Hopefully he will learn to adapt.

Thanks for the input now.
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Cheryl Marchek
AKA JM
Check out my website at:
The Red Dragons Den

JPsShadow Apr 06, 2005 10:42 AM

Did you get responses from people who work with blackroughnecks, or just responses?

The reason I say that about the depth at only 2 foot is my male is 4 foot easily and has alot of girth, he is by far no small monitor. Hieght is nice but your monitor will be climbing up and down all day long, sort of like living on a tree or a really tall fish tank. In most cases it is not the hieght or length that makes a fish tank bad for adult monitors it is the lack of depth.

You may be able to make the cage work but I would of opted to go minimum of 3 foot.

The more choices they are left with the better off they will be, by limiting space you limit choices.

FR Apr 06, 2005 06:29 PM

Any of the depths are too narrow, and will cause the monitor to adapt.

You could live in your closet(learn to adapt) but it surely would not be all that much fun. So please think of it in that manner. Even a three foot deep cage is living in a closet, But now your making the closet even smaller, 2 foot.

Also, asking people here, is not exactly a good way to base a life on. Just imagine the forest/jungle, your monitor was snatched from, then think about the closet.

Also I do not agree on this idea of permanet cage thing(same closet your whole life) I normally rotate monitors thru various cages depending on need and availability. They tend to become bored with any cage rather quickly.

If you think about it, all is not lost. You could finish your beautiful cage and keep your monitor in there in the winter and on cold nights/days. Then build a larger outdoor cage for nice days in the summer. I have lots of indoor/outdoor cages, and they are the best. If you live in the northern areas, then make a greenhouse(or buy one) or just make storm windows that go over the outdoor cage for those inbetween days and nights or to extent the lenght of use.

Please remember, any cage we put that in, is not natural or normal and causes them to adapt or die. FR

JM Apr 06, 2005 07:43 PM

I know your right~ and now that I think about it~ I know the other fellow is right too.

It's awfully hard to think about that after spending all my money and 3 days building that thing to the point it is at now. I'm no carpenter~ just a housewife that wanted the best possible cage for this animal. You hit the nail on the head~ the reason I've been killing myself is becuase I feel guilty that I noticed how much he has to bend to get himself completly into his water bowl.

He does get outside excersize. He's not MY lizard~ but I seem to be the most suseptable to the guilt factor in the house~ so I've actually begun taking him out at least 3 or 4 times a week~ putting him on a harness and letting him lead me around my house. I guess you could say I take him for a walk~ but that implies I'm in charge of where we go~ and I'm not~ he is! (And he hisses, puffs at, and tail whips me for my trouble) But I feel better when I put him back in his cage and he's not pacing back and forth anymore.

I like your idea of really outside~ and it may be easier for me to accomplish than I had originally thought. I have a small sort of courtyard out front~ and if spent the next year he'll be growing out of his new enclosure thinking about it~ I may be able to find a way to make it safe for him to be loose out there for a couple hours a day without needing the harness and lead. Luckily we live in Southern California~ so MOST days of the year he would be perfectly comfortable out there~ once I work out how to keep him from climbing the fence!
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Cheryl Marchek
AKA JM
Check out my website at:
The Red Dragons Den

Dragoon Apr 06, 2005 08:24 PM

Hello
I keep black roughnecks. I have a pair, and some of their offspring here.
I apologize for not responding before. I have posted in detail about my cages and animals in the past, and try to refrain from being repetitious. I suppose my thinking goes...its all in the archives on this forum, and is easily found with a forum search. That is how I uncovered a ton of posts relating to BRNs and various other subjects.

I certainly don't think my cages are great, but they work for us and I like them. I have rudicollis and becarri. I have babysat a water monitor for a couple of months, and these cages would be very inadequate for that species long term. Too active and destructive an animal.

Here is my male War modelling the bedroom cage. The cage is 8 feet by four deep and six high.

This is rather small for he and his mate, IMO. Right now they are in the living room cage, which is a replica of this one, but divideable. So he is in a four by four, and six feet high. I am now moving the animals around every so often, so they are not stuck in the same cage all the time.
Except that dratted becarri...its so skinny it just escapes all but its own cage.

War again...doesn't he make this look small?
D.

JM Apr 06, 2005 09:11 PM

Thanks,
I don't know why I didn't see your pics when I searched. I searched both "rough neck monitor" and "rudi". I got a lot of stuff~ but nothing very usefull~ and certainly not those pics. I sure wish I had seen them when I was planning the cage. Unfortunatly~ the money is spent and the cage can't really be changed without re-building. Hell, it's not even done yet! Guess I'll have to worry about his outgrowing it when we get to that point. I certainly will not make him live in something that looks too small.

I'm very disappointed and discouraged at this point~ but it is too late to do anything but finish the cage.
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Cheryl Marchek
AKA JM
Check out my website at:
The Red Dragons Den

Dragoon Apr 07, 2005 02:34 PM

Hello
Your cage doesn't suck!!

I'm sorry you got that impression, it was not meant. Forgive me, I was in a rush, and did not finish my post to include comments on the cage you started. I thought about my last post at work, and felt badly you would get the wrong impression. You did.

I'm glad that you did search the archives. Of course, the pics I posted are no longer hosted on the net, it was over a year ago I built these cages. (though the descriptions would still be there). Big hint: most of the good posts regarding BRNs can be found in the 'old' forum archives, not this current forum. You have to go to the KS main menu, to find accesss to the 'old' forums.

I do wish you had asked a specific question regarding your cages. Something like...I am planning on building a 2 foot wide cage for an adult BRN, is this adequate? (You'd have gotten a ton of responses) More general questions such as, What size cage should I build? , generally meets silence...Yeah, I know, a technicality, but that is how forums work, unfortunately...the general type questions are many and the people who expend the effort to answer them are few.
A very good answer is "go as large as you can". Can you accomodate a four foot wide cage in your cage location? Then its much better to build it if you can. And cheaper. Most plywood comes in four by eight sheets...a four by four by eight cage involves the least planning and waste of wood.
With what you have started...you could expand the sides, and not waste any of that wood you have cut, by using it to make boxes instead. Just the labor was wasted...but its all fun, right?

Okay, lecture over...
The cage you built is looking real good (oak!), sliding glass doors, that's first class stuff. For a single rudi(hopefully you add a friend someday, how boring to have no company), its workable. In fact, you could have a MUCH better cage with your small space, than many with bigger cages. Open space is totally wasted on monitors. So much area of my cages are useless, so far. BUT!!, the larger size of mine, means I can add lots more stuff. I have more options.

Rudis like to be hidden.

Add many wooden boxes to your cage. Hinge the lids (so you can retrieve animal if need be) and cut out an entrance hole. Have the hole face out so the rudi can see. Fill the boxes with different stuff, for fun. Some with dirt, some with leaves, some with moss. Make some real small, and some real big, you know, for that companion you'll get your rudi someday... A happy rudi is one that is snug in a hide, with his nosy nose at the entrance, watching all that you do. For that reason, I am now favoring the side hole, versus a hole in the top of the box. Its more comfortable for them to look out.
I'm so glad your monitor has you, making all this effort to make him comfortable! She's real nice looking!

Here is War again. He will not rush out for food. He sticks his head out, but always drags it back inside his box to eat it. He bangs his head many times in the act of swallowing, the stupe.
D.

tor038505 Apr 09, 2005 01:45 AM

=-) I have a hide-out for my monitor and it's always awesome when he's sleeping. He digs a hole in his house type deal and gets in that and puts his head outside like a dog sleeping or whatever. It's so awesome. I play with him and throw some crickets in there then he goes freakin wild. =-) But yeah, Your cage is awesome. =-)
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