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Did she dig? lay? Haven't heard since this morning - lol! I was so frantic during Luna's 1st (and 2nd and 3rd - finally more relaxed during her 4th!) so I know just what you are going through.
need update 
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy 
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
when she fell asleep last night we added more moisture to the sandpit. she is in there right now i cant tell if she is just sitting or digging though, she is moving around though. but only in one spot...i thought i caught her laying but i think it was one of her pause to check for preditor moments...oh and i made sure she got something to drink this morning, but since that i havent disturbed her, i dont think. hehe. It's so frustrating she's in a spot where i cant really watch her right now, its driving me nuts!
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree. 
I empathize with your frustration ;-/
She will dig a hole as far down as she can go, turn around, back in and lay so she will not be anywhere near the surface and if the tub is deep enough you will likely not see her at all. Do keep an eye on her - the best you can - to make sure she is not having trouble and is eggbound. adcham.com as an article on it.
is she warm enough in there? if there is anyway you can get a basking light on the tub it would be helpful. Doesn;t need to be real close but enough to keep her temp up. Of course, if you can do this without disturbing her too much. Keep me posted!
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
haha it's funny you said that, i just put a heat lamp and 5.0 by the tub so she can stay warm down there... i made a custom dripper with ice over/by the tub also so there is a dripper for about an hours worth, if she uses it i duno... i will check up on her later tonight..
ps havent read but saw the post about luna, she's an egg laying machine! Is that usual or could Cecily be a little bit different? to the point ---> am i going to have to expect this as often as you?
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
Ice is not recommended b/c it will lower her body temp so I would forego that. I also would not let the dripper drip on her or onto the substrate as it may disturb her.
How is her digging? Is she digging in one hole yet?
yeah, apparently her sister and mom were/are egg machine's, too. Many folks say it has to do with being overfed, but frankly Luna seems to be OFF food more than on with all her hunger strikes! Some keepers say their cham will eat right up to the day of laying. So I think the frequency and size are somewhat variable. I did cut back on her food after she got back to "normal" after laying in December so it will be interesting to see if at least the clutch size is smaller.
as for supplements she gets liquid calcium twice per day and the repta-aid 2x, too. Yes, apparently there is some truth on mixing supplements but I think it is more for the dusts. Carlton and few others on here are better versed about it than I. When it comes to Luna I get whatever I can into her. She was a bit pissy today so I am hoping she is near!!! I would guess in the next week or so - hopefully sooner, but she never sticks to the 4 week period. She's jsut a freaky girl! lol!
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
she dug a groove by the side and then gave up...she did gobble up a few crix right away though, and drank when i misted her. I'm so frustrated, why wont she just lay ahhhhhhhhh. And I have a huge calculus test monday, and an Autocad quiz on tuesday.
Lex seemed to do good today got a good 4-5 hrs of sun outside, ate a good amnt of crix, but after i brought him in i misted him down and he basked for a while went back down to hunt, so i gage him a couple more, then back up and a misting later. Now about an hour before bedtime he desides that he's gonna sleep where he is basking??? (while the lights are on and still light outside...) Could he be tired out from all that sun and eating? i think it was around 75 out today with a slight breeze
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
re: Lex, when it comes to sleeping I let Luna "tell" me. There were times when she was gravid last time and she would crash at 4:30 in the afternoon, so I just turned off her lights. If he just does it occasionally I would honor it and turn out the lights. I know when I play in the sun I get pretty pooped at night
Cecily, It really sounds that she may not be satisfied with her tub. Can you describe again how you have it set up? I looked back at the pic of her (on subforum) and I am wondering if that plant is taking up way too much room. She needs a lot of surface space as well as depth. You may want to re-read the article about laying on chamnews to troubleshoot. You may just need to setup a whole new tub and put her in it. Did you switch to play sand? If she knows it will not hold a tunnel she may not risk it. It really sounds like she is ready and if she goes too long...well, it could be serious.
YOU also need the relief with these two exams coming up! What are you in school for? UGH! calculus! Never took it but have been doing CAD work for 15 years (no longer A/Cad, diff. program)
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
Yah I rearranged the setup since that picture, i took another one butt there are still 10 pictures left on the role so it may not be developed till after she lays. If she doesnt make much laying improvements today I may try the playsand/(something) mix in the bottom of a trashcan?
Lex is outside again today, and it is reptivite day, so i nice day with some healthy munchies for him.
As for the tests, i'm an engineering studednt, this last year i have been thinking mechanical engineering with emphasis on automotive engineering. But lately I've been thinking about Industrial engineering with auto. I'm going to school at the jc near Cal Poly. (on californias central coast for those of you who dont know..)
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
Hey, I work in mechanical design and contract for a company in MA. We make switches and terminals for appliance, automotive and other industries (co's like Black & Decker, Ford, Fischer Price, etc.)
OK,chams...I just took some pix of my setup, since i have a tub in it now for Luna. Go to the gallery (linked below) and the first 3 photos are the ones. The other setup was how I had it the first time when I didn't know what she would use. Also her before and after pics of her first clutch last May. Hopefully these will help.
As for substrate, I use the coco-fiber (you can use peat) and playsand. I can't say ratio, but around 2:1 resepectively.
here's the link
Luna's setup
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
just picked up some coco fiber to mix with and water conditioner with electrolites and D3i think i may try a different container this time. Should i keep the other conatainer in her setup so she knows that the new one is in fact a new one and not the old one in a diff place. did that make sense???
I think this calculus is getting to me...
what i want to do is work for toyota btw oh and what does n/p stand for...
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
...what does n/p stand for...
n/p means "no post." when someone just wants to ask a quick question or make a quick comment and only writes in the seubject not in the body of the post
>> Should i keep the other conatainer in her setup so she knows that the new one is in fact a new one and not the old one in a diff place. did that make sense???
Yes, it made perfect sense Soak the coco-fiber fisrt by following directions on package so it expands (it expands a LOT). Then take a large rubbermaid-type container and put in a few handfuls of the playsand (I really think the grains are too large in regular sand) and then mix in some coco, keep adding bit by bit and only moistening enough for it to all stick together. if you squeeze a handful and you get water out of it it is too wet. So jsut keep mixing until you have a good consistently. When I put it into a clean tub I put in a few inches and then tamp lightly, not packing it but firming it some. Then a few more inches, etc. you once it is full stick your finger into it in a few places to see if holds a tunnel, then fill those back in and you are good to go. Yeah, placing the tub near the other is not a bad idea. I did that the first tme wiht Luna until I found her "preferred" tub
use the largest container that you can - she needs the depth as well as surface. I really hope she lays for you soon! If you know anyone wiht a digital camera try and get some shots of her and the setup (if you can w/o disturbing her). btw, how does she seem today?
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
Well she didnt touch the sand at all today, she's always been hissy with me if i ever tried to grab her or move her, so i dont do that anymore. Before this gravid business i could get her to eat a worm out of my fingers, not anymore. she drank plenty though. Mostly just basked by the window during this butiful day, i'm going to the store later for another container and then mixing tonight so it's ready for tomorrow. im about ready to lock her in a trash can so at least she doesnt get eggbound. I dont know anyone with a digi. I keep meaning to look online for a cheap one but i keep forgetting.
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
when you say she is basking does this mean she is up in her branches? If so, then she may not be quite ready and she obviously knows the tub is there. But if she is staying on the substrate (tub) then she may be more than ready..
do you have a vet lined up just in case?
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
I setup coco/sand tub last night, so there is another option for her. Yes she is still basking and does know where the tub is, hopefully she will find the new one just as easily. Would Chams ever dig for worms or other insects in the wild if they were hungry?
Lex is out for another day of basking.
I got a name and address of the herp vet society list website a while ago. But i have not contacted him about my chams yet.
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
good. if she is still climbing up to bask then she is probably OK.
re: worms, etc. no, they are arboreal (other than leaf chams that are forest floor dwellers) creatures and to the best of my knowledge go to ground strictly to lay eggs.
I would call the vet, introduce yourself, see what cham experience he has, tell him of Cecily's situation. This way if you do need his services he will have a little background. But remember, vets are busy and getting appointments can be tough so you should also get their hours of business and who to call in an emergency. it is also a good idea to get a fecal done on your chams every 6 months or so, so maybe after she lays you could collect fresh poop from both and bring it in - my vet only charges $12 for the standard fecal exam. this way you will have established a relationship with him, too
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0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
I didnt know the exchange of poop was a good means of establishing relationships these days...
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Lex and Cecily sittin in a tree.
sure, haven't you heard about the new singles meeting? In public restrooms - lol! OK, that was sick - but you started it!
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
sure, haven't you heard about the new singles meeting? In public restrooms - lol! OK, that was sick - but you started it!
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
sure, haven't you heard about the new singles meeting? In public restrooms - lol! OK, that was sick - but you started it!
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
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Chameleon Help & Resource Info
0.1 Veiled - Luna
1.0 Beardie - For now his name is Kinky Boy
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta
1.0 African Clawed Frog - Skipper
0.3 Mad. Hissers (2 died ;(
0.1 Chilean Rose Hair Tarantula (no name yet)
0.1 Goliath Bird-Eater Tarantula - Natasha
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