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here's a pic of one of my two male albino pyros doing his thing with a big normal female. the males have also bred two het females, so i'm keeping my fingers crossed.

terry

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congrats,congrats.
Jeff

>>congrats,congrats.
>>Jeff

Nice Terry. Are the amelanistics locality pure? That female looks to be from the Huachucas.
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Rick Staub
R&R Reptiles

>>Nice Terry. Are the amelanistics locality pure? That female looks to be from the Huachucas.
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>>Rick Staub
>>R&R Reptiles

Hi Rick,

No, no special locale so far as i know. They originated in a midwest' breeder's collection, he worked with them for years before word leaked out. Remember the female in the pic is a normal, so your ID on her could be correct. But the albinos are not represented as locale-specific. They are beauts though.

Terry

Thanks Terry. I hope I was not implying that they would be less if not pure. I just saw that nice female with the black and the hour glass triads and thought Huachuca Mtns, so had to ask.

>>>>Nice Terry. Are the amelanistics locality pure? That female looks to be from the Huachucas.
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>>>>Rick Staub
>>>>R&R Reptiles
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>>Hi Rick,
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>>No, no special locale so far as i know. They originated in a midwest' breeder's collection, he worked with them for years before word leaked out. Remember the female in the pic is a normal, so your ID on her could be correct. But the albinos are not represented as locale-specific. They are beauts though.
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>>Terry
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Rick Staub
R&R Reptiles

>>Thanks Terry. I hope I was not implying that they would be less if not pure. I just saw that nice female with the black and the hour glass triads and thought Huachuca Mtns, so had to ask.

understood, and no prob. they're pure, but not locale specific.

it's interesting the way the generalized traits of the different pyro morphs vary. Reminds me of the way the first albino hondurans came from tricolor stock, the first hypos from tangerines. Similarly, i see a lot of those hoourglass triads in the Sentz hypo line (and it's a nice feature on them, as it provides larger areas of "melanistic" coloration to display the light, almost pink, coffee-and-cream color that replaces black on that morph. On my albino and Barczyk line hypos, on the other hand, many specimens have relative few crossovers. The hypoerythristic ("anerythristic" pyros have more crossovers including hourglass. So like the initial hondo morphs showing distinctive coloration (within the range of wildtype variances) that also seems to be the case with the pyros. Right now, at least, while they're new, you can look at them and speculate about their roots. Eventually that'll probably not be the case, just as the hondos have now been bred to produce tangerine albinos and tricolor hypos--each morph at the opposite end of the continuum of wildtype hondos. Interesting to obseerve.
Terry

Yeah even the Applegate pyros are supposedly no longer locality pure. I bred my wc female from the locality of the original Applegate pyros to my friends Applegate male, but I am not sure if it means anything. In some ways it is sad, but then again these morphs are so different from the locality animals that it really doesn't mean anything past the keepers hyped up idea of how they think it should be.

>>>>Thanks Terry. I hope I was not implying that they would be less if not pure. I just saw that nice female with the black and the hour glass triads and thought Huachuca Mtns, so had to ask.
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>>understood, and no prob. they're pure, but not locale specific.
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>>it's interesting the way the generalized traits of the different pyro morphs vary. Reminds me of the way the first albino hondurans came from tricolor stock, the first hypos from tangerines. Similarly, i see a lot of those hoourglass triads in the Sentz hypo line (and it's a nice feature on them, as it provides larger areas of "melanistic" coloration to display the light, almost pink, coffee-and-cream color that replaces black on that morph. On my albino and Barczyk line hypos, on the other hand, many specimens have relative few crossovers. The hypoerythristic ("anerythristic" pyros have more crossovers including hourglass. So like the initial hondo morphs showing distinctive coloration (within the range of wildtype variances) that also seems to be the case with the pyros. Right now, at least, while they're new, you can look at them and speculate about their roots. Eventually that'll probably not be the case, just as the hondos have now been bred to produce tangerine albinos and tricolor hypos--each morph at the opposite end of the continuum of wildtype hondos. Interesting to obseerve.
>>Terry
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Rick Staub
R&R Reptiles

about how big is that male? i have one that is about 24" but is thin.