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hey brandon,i read a post of yours where you were talking about these wild caught canarys coming in.you said that you are pretty sure they would turn green and that you have had these animals before and thats what happened.all of these animals are adults and many are quite old.youre saying that a basically 100 percent yellow animal will turn green at 4 years old?thats odd ,dont you think?some are saying that you and all the other breeders are saying these things because youre scared because of all the time and money you guys spent on those 40 to 50 percent yellows.that those animals would now become basically obsolite.that you guys worked so hard on achiving what now just popped up on some island in the wild,and in pretty large numbers.all i know is that these canarys put any high yellow ,so called designer to shame.i sure hope they keep coming in because if they are a true local,that means that these 100 percent yellows are genetic and will evenually become affordable for us all.not exactly what the breeders want but hey,theres always a high purple animal brandon.what will you call it?

hey brandon,i read a post of yours where you were talking about these wild caught canarys coming in.you said that you are pretty sure they would turn green and that you have had these animals before and thats what happened.

I've only had one and sold it last summer so that's all I can comment on. I do know of SEVERAL of these that have come in over the last 6 years, and none have stayed yellow. Most have turned at around 3-4' that I am aware of. The male I had was around 40".

all of these animals are adults and many are quite old.youre saying that a basically 100 percent yellow animal will turn green at 4 years old?thats odd ,dont you think?

That's what I'm saying and so are others. I don't really consider it odd at all. Just ask anyone that has kept chondros long enough and they'll tell you to expect the unexpected. There have also been cases of rather green yearlings gaining yellow with age. That to me, seems more odd than a yellow animal going green.

some are saying that you and all the other breeders are saying these things because youre scared because of all the time and money you guys spent on those 40 to 50 percent yellows.that those animals would now become basically obsolite.

I'm not scared of any chondro that stays yellow. In fact, I stated that I hope some do stay yellow as older adults. I think they are beautiful animals to say the least. And FYI, I personally don't own any Lemon Trees, nor have I spent a ton of money on my collection. I just happened to get lucky with a few breedings and produce some very nice high yellow chondros.....and some with much more than 40-50%. Can you say SUMMER? I don't see any captive high yellow line becoming obsolete any time in the near future. They're only getting better.

that you guys worked so hard on achiving what now just popped up on some island in the wild,and in pretty large numbers.all i know is that these canarys put any high yellow ,so called designer to shame.

True they are nice, but I wonder how many are going to survive? It's just a fact of life with adult imports, that a large percentage don't live into breeding age. I'm not saying that some won't get lucky enough to get them established, but the odds are against many. I'll have to disagree with the last sentence. Take a look at this one.

i sure hope they keep coming in because if they are a true local,that means that these 100 percent yellows are genetic and will evenually become affordable for us all.not exactly what the breeders want but hey,theres always a high purple animal brandon.what will you call it?

Affordable? Who do you think has all of these?....people with big dreams of making lots of money(at least most of them). That's who. lol. I don't think you'll see $500 Canary hatchlings anytime soon. If anything, they'll be more than those ugly designers. If imports cost $7K pr., how much do you think captives are going to run? For another example, take a look at Meraukes. They still sell for $1500-2500 ea. for babies.....even for outcrosses. I think the breeders are all on the same page. I'd love to see these become established. Email me privately and I'll tell you a bit more info.

Brandon Osborne

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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
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hey brandon,thanks for responding.as you can prob tell from my post,im a little bitter when it comes to the topic of designer chondros.im sorry if it seems that i was attacking you but i had a bad experience(and a couple people i know)with a breeder.we had bought and spent quite a bit of money on hatchlings that turned out to be less than spectacular.last year i quit my search for the perfect chondro and bought my manakawari.i had once saw the nicest looking chondro(in my opinion).he had alternating turquoise blue,and black scales.not a bit of green that i could see.i have never seen a photo of a type that resembled him.the closest id say would be the mite phased,but like i said,he was all blue and black,no green.me and a couple people a know bought chondro hatchlings,saw the parents and they turned out to be less than typical looking,a dull army green with little or no other markings.it led me to believe that chondros are sometimes born with amazing colors but this is not hereditary,either this or we were beat and just sold typical import hatchlings.anyway,i didnt want you to take my post the wrong way,after i sent it i regretted it.i dont know you ,so i shouldnt accuse you of behaving like the breeders me and my friends dealt with.if you know of any snakes that resemble the description that i gave id appreciate you giving me a link or posting a photo.i am still very much interested in purchasing this snake,only this time id only buy and adult that went through his color change.thanks

Just to put a spin on this topic.

There are solid blue male's being "collected" in the wild. These animal cost a bit less than the soild blue captive born males but are still very expensive.

Brandon is right, If these "Canary" Chondros turn out too stay yellow (which in all honesty i think will not). They are going to be even more expensive than the imports. Also if say theres only a 50/50 chance of them staying yellow... Looks like its going to be another chondro designer gamble.

Personaly, i like my high yellows with a bit of green too .

I honestly feel that 'some' of the ultra yellow, so-named Canary Chondros will in fact remain a glowing yellow. True, no one really knows as of yet. So count me in....I am in the gamble

If one researches the various island(s) from which these critters are rumored to originate from, it is extremely interesting that so many "newly" discovered animals (both marine, terristrial as well as BATS) are being recored!

Rich Culver

No offense taken at all. I fell your frustration. lol. As I said, I fell lucky to have produced the snakes I have over the last few years. After all, my adults are pretty average looking, but have produced some of the most awesome chondros I've ever seen. I am keeping everything I produce until color change with my next 2 clutches. People will know exactly what they are getting when they decide to purchase. Honestly, I think some breeder deliberately overprice their animals just because of their association with certain other breeders. I'm not saying some lines aren't worth what they are sold for, but it's obvious that a green snake is a green snake......and not worth $3-4k for a yearling regardless of genetics. I've tried to keep my Sedgewick line affordable to most serious chondro heads. We'll see what comes from the outcrosses I've done this year. This male sired a clutch with a nice blue undertone female SCZ recently. I'm anxious to see the results in a year from now. I'll definately have my hands full for the next 12-18 months.

Brandon Osborne

How can you deny the Beauty of this 10 year old Lemon Tree?
These colors wont fade.....
Tim Rash