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Is there such a thing as a "snow" yellow ratsnake?

bluerosy Apr 24, 2005 11:42 PM

If so, please post some pics.

Replies (17)

Dogbert0051 Apr 26, 2005 10:38 AM

Typically the "snow" line I believe is associated with corn snakes, and this is a combination of hypomelanistic (no black) and anerythristic (no red/orange). these are two different types of "albinos" (i put in quotes because neither is a ture albino, just lacking one type of pigment). since yellow rats dont' have significant amounts of red or black, it's hard to get a snow yellow rat. i have seen white sided yellow rats, however.
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-Chris

0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat
1.0 Black Rat
0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.0 Green Tree Python
0.1 Texas Bairds Rat

The educated are the few. The uneducated are the masses.

North American Rat / Corn Snake Care Sheet

bluerosy Apr 26, 2005 10:52 AM

I am talking about a pure Snow yellow ratsnake. A result of breeding DH axanthicXamel. No cross or cornsnake in it.

Someone told me they have them and will be sending pics to me soon. I did not know they existed in the hobby and doing a search here resulted in nothing.

Dogbert0051 Apr 26, 2005 02:42 PM

hm... i'd be definately interested in seeing that
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-Chris

0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat
1.0 Black Rat
0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.0 Green Tree Python
0.1 Texas Bairds Rat

The educated are the few. The uneducated are the masses.

North American Rat / Corn Snake Care Sheet

bluerosy Apr 26, 2005 02:49 PM

Chris
I can't wait to see it either but my guess its an amelanistic that just came out looking more snow than amel. I may be wrong but I have not seen an axanthic/anery yellow rat to create a snow.

Well see.

Rainer

Dwight Good Apr 26, 2005 03:54 PM

I may be wrong but I have not seen an axanthic/anery yellow rat to create a snow.

Now you have. LOL. I'll see if I can dig up some old snow yellow pics.

dg

lolaophidia Apr 26, 2005 05:20 PM

That axanthic yellow rat is very nifty! Love the clean look of the stripes contrasted with the grey background. Almost looks like a black and white pic... Great looking snake! Did you find that one or was it captive bred?

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Lora

Dwight Good Apr 30, 2005 10:26 AM

That axanthic yellow rat is very nifty! Love the clean look of the stripes contrasted with the grey background. Almost looks like a black and white pic... Great looking snake! Did you find that one or was it captive bred?

That snake actually belongs to a friend of mine. He has several and I'm not sure if that particular animal was WC or CB. He has a line going and IIRC that snake was a CB yearling about two foot long.

The previous pic was kind of washed out, the snake was on top of a white styro cooler when I photographed it. That might be why the pic looks black and white. Below is another pic that I took on top of a rubbermaid tub that shows some color, lol:

bluerosy Apr 26, 2005 11:58 PM

I'll see if I can dig up some old snow yellow pics.

So how long has the snow yellow rats been around?

Maybe I don't pay as much attention to the ratsnakes as I should (btw love those bairdi Jimmy) but are these Snow Yellow ratsnakes uncommon? or did the interest in these just waine?

Dwight Good Apr 30, 2005 10:57 AM

So how long has the snow yellow rats been around? Maybe I don't pay as much attention to the ratsnakes as I should but are these Snow Yellow ratsnakes uncommon? or did the interest in these just waine?

I'd say they are fairly uncommon but they have been around for a few years. Here is an old pic from '98 that shows a hatchling snow, albino, anerythristic, and a normal (high yellow line).

The anerythristic in the pic is from the Gulf Coast Reptiles strain. They appear to be a bit different than the animal that I posted in a thread above. Here is an '01 hatch Gulf Coast strain anerythristic:

I have pics of adult snow yellows but they aren't in digital format. I'll get some digital pics taken when I have time.

dg

bluerosy May 03, 2005 08:22 AM

If you get the ones of the snow maybe you can post them on back on top of a new thread. I will keep an eye out.

Thanks

Rainer

draybar Apr 26, 2005 06:30 PM

>>Typically the "snow" line I believe is associated with corn snakes, and this is a combination of hypomelanistic (no black) and anerythristic (no red/orange). these are two different types of "albinos" (i put in quotes because neither is a ture albino, just lacking one type of pigment). since yellow rats dont' have significant amounts of red or black, it's hard to get a snow yellow rat. i have seen white sided yellow rats, however.
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>>-Chris
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Earlier you said corns don't reach as far as Northern Alabama, which they do, and now you say a snow corn is hypomelanistic and anerythristic
That is a ghost corn
a snow is amelanistic and anerythristic.
I know these are simple mistakes and not that bad but you need to be a bit more carefull about what you post.
I know we all make mistakes and it's not a problem, like I said, just be a little more carefull. Read a little more. Try to be sure that what you write as fact is indeed fact.
I know this sounds harsh but I don't really mean it to be. Just not a real good way to write.
I mean it more constructively then criticaly.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

Dogbert0051 Apr 27, 2005 11:43 AM

I actually had to look up what made a snow corn and thats what two websites said... yeah i think i'll just keep my mouth shut on corn genetics and wild species.

i had to look back at what you were saying about when i said corns dont know as far as northern alabama... now i know they very well do and im reading this wondering what i was thinking when i posted it... lol.

sorry
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-Chris

0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat
1.0 Black Rat
0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.0 Green Tree Python
0.1 Texas Bairds Rat

The educated are the few. The uneducated are the masses.

North American Rat / Corn Snake Care Sheet

draybar Apr 27, 2005 04:29 PM

My post could have easily been taken as rude.
I appreciate you reading beyond my words to their meaning.
You help a lot of people so don't stop.
I'm the same way most of the time....I try to stay out of most of the deeper gentics discussions. I just post what I am sure of....which isn't a lot.
anyway thanks for being an adult about the whole thing.
by the way...why did you change your name....just curious
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

duffy Apr 27, 2005 04:39 PM

Me, too. When I read your post, I kinda held my breath and hoped that it would be taken in the spirit that I KNOW you always post...And it was. Nice job, both of you.

BTW, Chris...In addition to the name-change question...How's that blue beauty working out for you? I've been considering picking one up. Duffy

Dogbert0051 Apr 27, 2005 06:27 PM

my blue beauty is doing great, however I'm unsure if i'm going to be able to keep her through an adult. If you're interested in her, I got her from Randy Whittington so she's definately a good quality snake. She's close to 30" now, about to move to rat fuzzies. She was very agressive as a baby, but has tamed down considerably.

Send me an email and let me know if you're interested.

BTW, the reason is that i'm going to be moving to an apartment soon for college and the only apartment I can find that will let me have snakes says say none over 8 feet.

The reason I won't put her in classifieds is I want to make sure she goes to a place where I know she'll get cared for properly.
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-Chris

0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat
1.0 Black Rat
0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.0 Green Tree Python
0.1 Texas Bairds Rat

The educated are the few. The uneducated are the masses.

North American Rat / Corn Snake Care Sheet

duffy Apr 29, 2005 06:28 PM

Still gathering information before making a choice. If so, I will most likely starte with a baby from the Ohio show. What did you pay for yours & what state do you live in? Where will you be going to school? Of my 13 snakes, none have come to me through the mail, fedex, etc...And I would probably be more likely to check out a snake if I knew it was nearby. Hey...It's great that you found a place that will let you keep snakes, and you could have that beauty for awhile before it reached 8 feet.
Also, with the skinnier snakes most people who see them assume they are shorter than they really are since they don't look huge. Just a thought. Duffy

duffy Apr 26, 2005 02:57 PM

Never heard of what you are describing...yet. But it is worth noting that the snow corn(a ratsnake, of course), due to the fact that it colors up as it ages, is sometimes called a green snow, pink snow or yellow snow, depending upon which color will be seen. It is my understanding that yellow is the most common, so...Could somebody have their signals crossed when telling you about a snow yellow ratsnake? (yellow snow ratsnake?)???? Duffy

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