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We just purchased this Ball Python and wanted to get your feedback on what he is?

I would ask anyone that we've talked to about this animal not to comment as we would like to get some new feedback.

He was posted on Kingsnake earlier this year so you may remember seeing him.

I will tell you two things about him, he's not a Genetic Stripe, and he's in shed in this image taken today.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Debra and Diana
Camlon Reptiles

There have been others like him produced from different females.

Debra

It’s the only striped Spider produced, I can’t remember who produced right now but it will come to me. Congrats it’s a great animal

Bryan Kollwitz

Exotic Ball Pythons

Nice snake first off...........

Did you want us to take guesses as to what it is?

Id have to say that it looks like the woams as far as the reduced pattern goes...but the color is wrong.......and it does have a pretty neat head.......its not a pinstripe........not a spider........could it be a combo of some of the above mentinoed?

Regardless of whatever it is......it is a pretty snakes Gals......

So.......can ya email me and fill me in? I will keep my lips sealed.

Jared H.

Huked on fhonics werked for me!

Jared

Look's like a unique spider. Very cool. Maybe like the "non genetic" gold stripe look combined with spider....Do I get a prize?

Non-genetic gold stripe, pinstripe, spider :| Dang that was a mouth full. Don't really know where to start, but she's a looker fer sure.

Quig

I'm not sure what the morph is called, but if others have been produced, it must be some other form of genetic stripe that is seperate from the Clark line. Either way, I'm sure it will be some time before I can afford one.

My guess.... Striped Pinstripe? Whatever it is it looks really nice. I also want to thank you two again for everything you've done for me...
Tom

It looks to me like a spider with a stripe down it's back... The stripe looks like those sold as 'non-genetic stripes' or 'labyrinth stripes' with the reduced pattern of a spider.

Mark

So.... What is it really?

>We just purchased this Ball Python and wanted to get your feedback on what he is?
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>>I would ask anyone that we've talked to about this animal not to comment as we would like to get some new feedback.
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>>He was posted on Kingsnake earlier this year so you may remember seeing him.
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>>I will tell you two things about him, he's not a Genetic Stripe, and he's in shed in this image taken today.
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>>Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>>
>>Debra and Diana
>>Camlon Reptiles
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Is that the 'striped' spider produced by Charles Norman and posted on Ralph's January 06 journal entry?

Great looking Spider to say the least. Could have more of a spider head pattern for my liking, but whatever's influencing the dorsal stripe might be having an effect on the usual spider head pattern. Hmm....

Please do post another pic after it sheds.

BB

I think your 100% right. I thought I had seen that snake before. Sure looks like the striped spider.
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Jeff Ludlow

that does not show the characteristic white sides and underbelly that a spider does, also lacks the intricate head pattern of normal spiders. even a less disrable specimen of a spider will have some white sides. If that genetic stripe is not genetic, then we can assume a reduced pattern, or ringer?

That snake is deep in shed. When it does shed, I suspect it will show the high white sides common in spiders. If you look closely, you can see it. As far as the head pattern goes, I think that is highly variable. Some pictures I've seen show the intricate pattern you mentioned, while some have a fairly normal head color/pattern. I still think its a spider....

Id love the chance to change my mind! can we get a pick after shedding?

I'd call it a gold stripe spider. But it also looks like a low pattern high gold clown too. Be anxious to hear what it really is.
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Tosha

8.15.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and currently un-named)
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0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
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Hi Debra.. Isnt that the striped spider?? Looks different now than it did then, if it is that animal.

Whatever it is, its nice. I would be willing to bet that the striping on him is genetic.

Keep me posted!!

Beau

np

OK, my guess might be a little bit "out there," but I've seen some pics of Stan's "stonewashed pastels" and some looked a lot like spiders. There's a high degree of variability from one Rupple Stonewashed Pastel to another. The hint that "other females have produced similar offspring" suggests a dom or co-dom father so I thought I'd add my guess. When do we get to find out the right answer?

I'd say it is a Striped Spider. Looks like the Striped Y/B of Jareds and the Striped Mojave that Jeremy produced..

It looks like the "non-genetic gold stripe" and spider for sure.
...it isn't a yellowbelly spider though..is it?
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Charles Glaspie

I remember asking you about your pastels this year and you told me about some Stonewashed Pastels...

Just a guess.

Ryan

He's the striped spider....right . He has almost no white creeping up from the belly though .

Rich-OSC

I have forgotten where I got this pic from, it was for my background

He is a Striped Spider as many of you guessed! The cool thing about this is two male Spiders were bred to several different females and two seperate normal appearing females produced Striped Spiders.

What would the genetics of the normal appearing Spider's (breeder males) or the normal appearing female's be? They are not to our knowledge Hets for Genetic Stripes, or is this a Stripe that is not unlike the Stripe's produced by Jared, Amir and Jeremy. Guy's correct me if I'm wrong I thought the females used showing some striping?

Debra and Diana
Camlon Reptiles

What your describing may be a random /non genetic expression. As we already know that some striped balls are not genetic at all , several imports have been bred out and produced normals even though they were really nice examples of striped balls. If Striped animals are produced from non striped parents they would need to also be bred out in order to prove or disprove the genetics involved (or not involved if non-genetic)in the line. Just because we've seen some weird stuff hatch out recently (mainly with the Yellow Belly line) does not mean every odd looking ball is a new gene that popped up spontaneously, until they prove out they are just odd balls! I also think some of these genes are polymorphic , meaning they are involving 2 or more independant genes , these are harder to prove out because everything has to "line up" in the proper sequence in order for it to fully express itself. Partial striped balls that have incomplete stripes are likely a product of multiple independant genes that were not lined up perfectly hence the inconsistant pattern ,and breaks in the striping. There is alot more going on with these balls than people realize, the genetic base is broad , it will take years to breed out all these traits and some of them will turn out to be harder to produce than others depending on how many "switches" need to be turned on to reproduce each variation. Just some thoughts for people to think about... Anthony McCain-McCain's Reptiles.

This is the third animal that i have seen like this............The other two's parents were spiders bred to aberrant stripes............not clarks line.