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I may be missing something so I thought I'd come here and get some opinions. I have seen several posts claiming " proven yellow belly". In my mind I thought to be proven it would have had to produce an Ivory!! If it produces babies that carry the same pattern does not prove it to be an Ivory het in my mind. Unless there are that many Ivories out there.Hopefully someone can please educate me as the YB is already a tough morph to recognize. Thanks in advance. Ron
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The Crawl Space

Yeah, IMO I think some of the proven YB are just be proven breeders. Maybe we need new terminology for "proven breeder" and "proven carrier of X trait". I also like it when classifieds say they have no doubt it will prove out, when it is unproven.

EP
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I'm very new to all of this but from my understanding when you see "proven" on a YB it would mean that it just doesn't look like a YB but it is and that line of YB has been proven to produce Ivories but not necessarly that particular ball. I guess it's kinda of saying it's 100% het ivory rather than possible het ivory. More experienced breeders please let me know if I have the general idea.

Louie

Proven can mean:

"proven breeder" it's copulated
"proven to reproduce" eggs have come from this guy
"proven to pass on marker" self explanitory
"proven to produce homo animal"
or
Proven can mean it comes from a proven line.

Be sure to ask for clarification before purchasing
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Tosha

8.15.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and currently un-named)
1.0.0 Angolan Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.3 Lizards rescued from pool skimmer

Be sure to ask for clarification before purchasing
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

Ok I see what you all are saying, unfortunately I don't agree with most of the opinions. I've been breeding balls for 5 years now. I have NEVER seen the term "PROVEN" used to sell a het. It has only been used when the het for sale produced the visable morph. If sellers are using it for the other reasons I think that is very misleading. I do agree with " from a proven line" but not just because it bred and produced a clutch of look alikes. Tosha, You hit the nail on the head when you said get clarification from the seller. Good luck with everyones projects. Ron
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The Crawl Space

also agree with. How can that be "not right"?

Tosha, You hit the nail on the head when you said get clarification from the seller.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

I meant that those were what I have seen people use in regards to the term "Proven".

Yes proven to me would mean that the animal is proven to produce the homo animal, but people use it differently.

Hence the need for clafification prior to buying.

For example: I currently have a male possible het Carmel that successfully copulated and the female laid eggs this season. I have him for sale as having "successfully bred" not "proven" anything. If he proves in the future to be an actual het carmel then I'd advertise as such.
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Tosha

8.15.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and currently un-named)
1.0.0 Angolan Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.3 Lizards rescued from pool skimmer

Jay,
I agreed with her comments about "from a proven line and about getting clarification".
Tosha,
I think its great you represented your animal correctly. Thats how they all should be reprsented if they haven't produced an actual homo or come from a line that has. Theres to many people thinking they have a YB that will NOT prove out. So representing the offspring correctly is very important. Ron
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The Crawl Space

That peticular male was sired by a NERD line het-caramel.I'm the one that got 8 fertile eggs from his female this year(after raising him up).

So yeah he is a proven breeder,but is he a het? Well since i didn't use a caramel or a het caramel female...its gonna be a while. lol

I guess the same could be said for the female that layed the eggs.Since i am hoping to one day get offspring that look like her too.
Here's the couple.

..and the eggs.

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Charles Glaspie

They know most people do not know what a Real Yellowbelly looks like........fact of the matter is that they probably dont know what a real one looks like either!

Hey you all, I have a ball python here that when bred to a normal will produce SOLID PLATINUM EGGS!! and it can be your for only $76.92 Shipping....... LOL..........

C'mon folks..........

Now for the "proven" part........an animal that when bred to a normal and produces carbon copies of itself can be said to be Proven Genetic.......Such as the first pastels were.....and then they later produced the supers and were then proven to be Dominant..........such as with the Yellowbellies........, so no a yellowbelly does not necessarily have to produce an Ivory to be considered "proven"...........although it is more assuring to know that the HIGH DOLLAR snake your considering has come froma proven line.

Take my snakes for example.......these are PROVEN to reproduce the yellowbelly gene.....and when bred back to each other......or any other yellowbelly they will in turn produce Ivories......just like any pastel bred to any pastel can yeild Super Pastels.....EVEN IMPORTS.....

Just be careful of who you buy from..........if you have never heard of them before and now all of a sudden that babies are coming in from africa they have all sorts of NEW MORPHS for you to buy........JUST REMEMBER.................................................................................................................................... BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ask around b4 you get ripped off...........!!

Just my $.02

Jared Horenstein

I agree 100% with Jared. Be careful with whom you purchase.

Also Utilize the other site before making a large purchase it could save you alot of money, headache, and problem.
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Rob Trenor
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