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I thought it was a no-no to sell native WC Georgia colubrids.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=59&de=306641
Is it???
:Mark

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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Mark~
Do you really think they need protection from collectors?
Going by the amount of avaliable habitat and the estimated population densities of eastern kings you might as well protect the common house fly.

1) there is no habitat destruction done while looking for eastern kings.

2)The demand for eastern kings is not great enough to make the least bit of difference to the populations.

All this from a state that allows rattlesnake roundups and makes all other native wildlife ILLEGAL. EVEN if you had a motley striped snow het for lavener cornsnake and had to pass through Georgia with it you would be breaking the law.

I don't think the eastern Kings are threatened by a handful of herpers. But I do think that our herpetological community is threaten by allowing pointless regulation to exist.

I am all for appropriate legislation and for following the law(i.e. proper collecting and selling of reptiles and amphibians), but I am also a firm believer that laws should have a purpose and hold true to that purpose. Just a thought.

Chris J

>>Mark~
>>Do you really think they need protection from collectors?
>>Going by the amount of avaliable habitat and the estimated population densities of eastern kings you might as well protect the common house fly.
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>>1) there is no habitat destruction done while looking for eastern kings.
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>>2)The demand for eastern kings is not great enough to make the least bit of difference to the populations.
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>>All this from a state that allows rattlesnake roundups and makes all other native wildlife ILLEGAL. EVEN if you had a motley striped snow het for lavener cornsnake and had to pass through Georgia with it you would be breaking the law.
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>>I don't think the eastern Kings are threatened by a handful of herpers. But I do think that our herpetological community is threaten by allowing pointless regulation to exist.
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Rainer, while I agree with your sentiments, this guy is giving "Big Government" fuel for their fire. They don't need it! And being ignorant of the laws shows a lack of attention and care for the herp community. The problem is that alot of Goverment officials read these forums. This guy will likely have a visit paid to him. So if anybody knows this guy help him out and give him a heads up. And if this guy has a reason to say your name to get out of prosecution then you better clear out your stuff. They Fish and Wildlife guys tape record all interviews and chase down all names said that hint at illegal hots or indigos. Just a word of advise. Also they work with the Georgia officals as well. Also anybody buying these snakes as advertise will be in violation of federal laws.

Good Luck to all who get caught up in this. I will certainly feel sorry for them

Later Jason

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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Eastern kings are not protected in NC. Only outer banks kings are a special cocern species.

Right. As far as I am aware of they are fine, Some I'm seeing now from some of the regulars here are VERY FINE!

I just meant as a positive side note to the classifieds post,that there was also a very good looking Eastern from N.C. listed for sale a little ways below it.

Sorry for the confusion.

Bob.

... but if the law is "on the books" then selling wc is o.k.???

:Mark

but if the law is "on the books" then selling wc is o.k.???

Of course not! Its definetly not okay. And I am sure that all the married commissioners and game agents who reside in Georgia do not engage in unlawful activities like the sodomy statute either. I mean after all it is "on the books" *sarcasim over*

Actuully that is not a good comparison. What the legislature is trying to do here is discourage homosexual activity in Georgia. But they cannot do that without excluding married hetrosexual couples. So the sodomy law remains on the books.

However Georgia gaming staff, commission and the department do NOT want to save species. I thought they did but. They don't. Their thing is regulation. They use amatuers to supply needs for regulation, deregulation is never an option.

Sodonmy and snakes Now that is a jump.
Good show man.
Jason

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I know this will get slack from you guys, however, Here is what I added to the ad. This is the truth, take it or leave it.

"To clarify:
These animals were caught in Northern florida by a representative of a well established zoo here in Florida. I mislabled these as southern georgia because of a miscommunication with the person that collected them. I hadn't even thought of the Georgia laws, although I am aware of them because of some shows that I have done there. (Namely tony's Atlanta show) If any of you have any questions I ask that you ask me in person instead of posting that these are illegal snakes. I understand any prior comments that were made, however from here on out I would hope that you would contact me directly. My record speaks for itself, and I hope that this misrepresentation does not in any way deminish from my reputation or from the chance to do business with you in the future.
Thanks
TOM"

That was added to my ad today. I am not one to make excuses because they never do any good. It was simply a mistake. One that should not have happened. Guess thats what I get for being in a hurry. I have been on this site and other's for long enough to realize that there will be doubters here. To all of you, you are entitled to your opinion. Anyone that knows me personally will know that what I have stated here is fact. No if's and's or but's about it.
Anyways,
Thanks for the time to read this,

Tom

Tom
Don't worry about it. Nobody in GA law enforcemnt would go after you and expect to get a prosecution. It was not your fault if someone sells you snakes mislabled as GA locale. There is really no way to prove if an eastern came from say Lake City Florida or Valdosta, GA. No prosecutor would touch this unless the zoo making the identification wants to get sued.

Well,
I know the amount of people that scam and sell mislabled things online all the time, and I really strive to have a good name and do things by the book. That is why I put up the clarification. Thanks for the comments though.
TOM

... I appreciated your email reply as well. Thing is.. I am looking for Florida animals and not GA ones.
I was hoping the laws had been changed for the guys up there. Maybe soon??
Anyway, I wasn't assuming anything, just asking questions, as you know.
:Mark