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That's four posts in a row without any bairdi pics....better fix that!

chrish May 02, 2005 07:26 PM

Since it was unseasonably cool today (70°), I took my bairdii outside to take some pics by natural light with fill flash.

Here's my boy. An old male, he really shows how dark some older bairdi can get. This was natural light only.

Here's his woman. She is several years younger and paler, particularly on the head region. She was also a lot less cooperative about the whole photo shoot issue.
I had to use the tissue paper flash diffuser with her since she was pretty flighty.

Both shots with:
- Konica Minolta 7D DSLR
- KM 28-75 f/2.8 D lens
- KM 3600 HS-D flash with tissue paper diffuser
- TTL fill flash
- shot in an inverted garbage can lid with some oak catkins and leaves from the backyard. Actually a fairly good representation of their real habitat. Just need to add some Ashe Juniper branches and bark.
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Chris Harrison

Replies (13)

jtclark May 02, 2005 07:41 PM

Great pics. That is the darkest bairdi I have seen. Very cool looking. The female has great colors too.
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0.1 Amel Motley Corn (Cosmo '03)
0.1 Baird's Ratsnake (Sugaree '04)
1.0 White Oaks Grey Rat (Tennesse Jed '04)
0.1 IJ Carpet Python (Cassidy '04)
1.1 Shepherd mix (Dylan 6yrs, Porter 1yr)

chrish May 02, 2005 10:05 PM

This snake is actually the snake that set the record for the largest bairdi ever found (Wehrler and Dixon, 2000). When I first saw it, I thought it was a hybrid. Over time, I have come to agree with Dixon that it is a true bairdi.

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Chris Harrison

Shaky May 03, 2005 01:25 PM

What makes you think its a true bairdi?
My first impression was a cross with a lindheimeri.

BTW- How's everything going? Haven't seen you or spoken with you in awhile. If you ever get the itch to come present at our society, (or even just attend)you're still welcome.
We've had lots of good talks about various S.A. countries lately.
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...and I think to myself, "What a wonderful world."

hermanbronsgeest May 03, 2005 03:57 PM

Come on man, you can't be serious about that being a pure bairdi. Anyone can see it's a lindheimeri hybrid, especially the head is pretty obvious.

By the way, my compliments on the two specimens posted above. Very nice!

Herman Bronsgeest.

chrish May 03, 2005 09:55 PM

>>Come on man, you can't be serious about that being a pure bairdi. >>Anyone can see it's a lindheimeri hybrid, especially the head is >>pretty obvious.

When John Malone caught it and showed it to me, I was expecting it to be a TX Rat. When I looked in the bag, however, I was shocked. To be honest, John showed it to Travis and I and we all said, wow, what a weird Texas Rat, must by a hybrid. It was too big and heavy to be a bairdii.

I "borrowed" it from him for a few days to photograph at home (took that pic in my living room in a rubbermaid trash can lid with some dry leaves from the yard and a log from out back). While I was photographing it I still thought it might be a hybrid, although to be honest, I saw it more as a TX Rat with some bairdi blood rather than the other way around. It had a TX Rat demeanor, but so do other big old bairdi I have found.

The snake then ended up at the Texas Cooperative Wildlife Collection at Texas A&M where Jim Dixon ID'd it as a bairdi and recorded it in his snake book a couple of years later (Wehrler and Dixon, 2000) as the largest specimen ever taken.

It came from an area at the easternmost edge of the range where both species occur in sympatry and may occasionally interbreed. I have found good Texas rats in the same area in the canyon bottoms. Bairdi apparently are on the slopes and ridge tops in these areas.

The more I look at the photo over the years, the more bairdii like it looks to me as well.

Anyway, I don't really know how and why it was pronounced a full bairdi. John Malone was a very thorough herp researcher (although he was more of a frog guy), and I suspect the decision wasn't made arbitrarily.

So if the experts who looked at it (I'm not one) pronounce it a bairdii, I can accept that. And they did that based on the snake itself, not just my photo.

Here's a headshot for a better look. I wish I had taken more pics of the beast, but it wasn't particularly cooperative.

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Chris Harrison

hermanbronsgeest May 04, 2005 10:05 AM

I'm still not convinced, but on the other hand, all I've got is the picture to work with. Not a good base from which to draw any firm conclusions.

Anyway, how large is this animal? The largest specimen I have ever seen was a full 6 feet long male from Banderas County (TX, USA).

Greetings,

Herman Bronsgeest.

chrish May 04, 2005 07:38 PM

>>Anyway, how large is this animal? The largest specimen I have ever seen was a full 6 feet long male from Banderas County (TX, USA).

I don't have my Wehrler and Dixon handy, but I think I remember it being 63 inches or so. A six footer would certainly be a new record.
Whenever this comes up, people always tell me they have seen bigger bairdi than 5 feet. In spite of this, there aren't any documented records of any over 63 inches.

This snake was also from Bandera County, near Vanderpool (actually in Lost Maples State Park). The snake you refer to came from the same county and is also at the eastern edge of the range, although there is a record in the San Diego Natural History Museum of a bairdi from Medina Lake, just outside of San Antonio's urban edges. These eastern snakes undoubtedly get larger due to the introgression/intergradation with obsoleta in that edge of the range.
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Chris Harrison

hermanbronsgeest May 06, 2005 04:04 AM

Hello Chris,

The 6 foot specimen I referred to earlier is perfectly verifiable, since I own the animal. Not only is it by far the biggest specimen I have ever seen, it's also the most beautiful (imho). I don't know the exact location, just 'Banderas County'. Well, at least that's what I was told (I didn't capture it myself). Anyone who's interested can visit me and measure the snake. However, I will not allow anyone the kill or abuse the animal for scientific purposes.

Greetings,

Herman Bronsgeest.

draybar May 06, 2005 05:38 PM

>>Hello Chris,
>>
>>The 6 foot specimen I referred to earlier is perfectly verifiable, since I own the animal. Not only is it by far the biggest specimen I have ever seen, it's also the most beautiful (imho). I don't know the exact location, just 'Banderas County'. Well, at least that's what I was told (I didn't capture it myself). Anyone who's interested can visit me and measure the snake. However, I will not allow anyone the kill or abuse the animal for scientific purposes.
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>>Greetings,
>>
>>Herman Bronsgeest.

I would love to see pics of this bairdi.
Never too many pictures of Bairds rat snakes.


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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

hermanbronsgeest May 07, 2005 03:13 PM

I already posted this picture 6 months ago, but what the hack...

dan felice May 10, 2005 04:36 PM

to tell you the truth, i don't see any lindheimeri influence present in that animal at all guys. texas rats generally have slate-top heads, are distinctly blotched and usually have red tongues. excepting for the tongue [unseen], i don't see either of the other traits exhibited whatsoever. just looks like an old bairdi to me.....

draybar May 03, 2005 09:19 PM

Exceptional bairdis Chris.
I have yet to see an ugly adult bairdi but those go way beyond....they are stunning.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

chrish May 03, 2005 09:57 PM

Jimmy,

I actually like yours a lot. And yours really haven't reached their peak yet.

I suspect mine are a lot older than yours, particularly my male.
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Chris Harrison

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