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Just curious who will be producing pinstripe and or vanishing ghost hondos?

Anyone have pics they could post?

Thanks in advance,

Dan.
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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

I think Shannon produced one/some last year. You can find his contact info from the main kingsnake page under West Coast Hondurans.
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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

peace,
Ian Daviss

>>Just curious who will be producing pinstripe and or vanishing ghost hondos?

So far, i know only of "periodic" or occasional appearances of really good pinstripes, vanishing patterns, and patternless. I hear more often of breedings of such animals that don't produce animals like the exceptional parent, or pairs that produce one one year and none the next. I had an interest in a pair for several years, that threw a really outstanding vanishing pattern ghost, and thru multiple subsequent clutches no more appeared. I could be wrong--it would be nice to be, on lthis issue--but i wonder if this pattern "morph" isn't the result of multiple gene interactions, like the other hondo pattern morphs (striped, for ex., so far as has been reported) that just show up occasionally but are not predictable, certainly not simple recessives. So if anyone has had different results, please report them here.
thanks
terry

Thanks for the reply Terry. Is the "pinstripe" or "vanishing" trait the same for all morphs? In other words, if you bred two pinstripe tri-color hypos would you potentially get all pinstripes? Or would you get lucky and have a single or several out of the clutch that had the nice narrow pinstriped bands and the rest wide-banded? I'm curious as I have a smoking tri-color hypo female that is pinbanded and a male and het female with the standard wide bands for future breedings in 2006-07 and was curious if the narrow bands bred true.

This is an older shot of her with her het sister to show the actual amount or degree of "hypo-ness":

And a shot of her by herself too!

Special shout out to Amro here from the boards for producing (and selling to me) such a beautiful honduran!

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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

And a quick shot of her boyfriend to be, with the het sister:

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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

I agree Terry, I was very interested in VPs 2 years ago and then they were not even labeled as hets, but only siblings. Now there's VPs failry frequently as if it is a given it is easily reproduceable? I'd like to hear if anyone got VPs more than once from a specific pair. Tom Stevens

Hi Tom,

I have two siblings that are both vanishing hypos (first pic is the male and the second pic is the female). They both came from the same clutch in 2003 but unfortunately, they were the only ones that hatched from the clutch. I do not own the parents and have not seen the parents but was told that when I bought these two back then that the parents are both vanishing hypos. Not being able to see their parents ... I cannot guarantee that breeding two vanishings would always give you vanishings. But I am planning to breed these two together and see what happens. The female is already of breeding size but the male just needs a little catching up to do. I tried introducing the two after the female's first shed but no interest from both of them... maybe on the second shed or even third shed. I am saving the female for him alone just to prove this theory and will let you guys know. Cross your fingers.

Thanks

Ray

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Thanks Tom !!!
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RAY

My 2 cents on this is that it is for the most part almost completely random when snakes exhibit pinstriping or vanishing patterns. I think snakes that are of high quality (little or no tipping) and reduced banding may have a tendancy of producing pinstripes or have a vanishing pattern but I don't think this is in any way predictable.

Example? I had a clutch last year that included four ghosts (all females). I had two that were outstanding, slightly vanishing pattern with absolutely no tipping anywhere. A third ghost was nice but had some tipping and wasn't a vanishing pattern. The fourth was a ghost but had tipping everywhere. These were produced by breeding unrelated hypo tricolor het anery (female) to an anery het hypo (male).

In conclusion, I think these outstanding examples of Honduran morphs are in no way predictable BUT more likely when you have parents that have produced them before. I don't think there is a specific gene for vanishing or pinstripes. I do think it is just a matter of some selective breeding of existing hypo genes.

The pic is one of my nice ghost keepers from last year at 6 months of age.

Rob Haneisen

I agree with you Rob, man that snake is KILLER! Please post more pics of that animal as well as the other Ghosts if possible Thanks Tom Stevens