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I know most of you guys have seen these pics already, but I wanted to post them just in case some of you have not seen them.

This is one of the nicest adult yellow leonis thayeri I have ever seen. He was produced by Evan Stahl. David Weymouth has bred him for the last two years and he has produced some of the best neonate thayeri around. One of which on of our fellow posters (Chris Garcia) has....."sharktooth"

You don't know how lucky I was that these became available at the most opportune time....

Here is the yellow leonis male....Picture courtesy of David Weymouth. I can't wait to see him in person...I like how the grey speckling gives him an overall greenish appearance.
John Lassiter

And here is a very nice orange leonis female produced by Dan Vermilya.

I can't wait to see offspring from her and the yellow male.
John Lassiter
Pic courtesy of David Weymouth.

Congrats John,

You got some smokers there buddy. I got some too!!!!!

You sure do Chris...
Good luck with them next year.
Thanks for the congrats too.
John Lassiter

Thanks John,

But I'm talking about some for this year!!!!!!

Yeah...I just read down below....LOL
Good luck with them...
Let me know what you get from them.....Maybe we can work out a trade later on this year....
John

Ya John,

I got trio # 4, check your email.

Very pretty snake . I know you like the top picture more and it is great looking but this one I find very nice.
You bred them to each other?

David Weymouth has bred them together....but I will continue the process when they arrive here. You should check out his website and look at his " Available Now and Later " link. It shows all of their offspring from the last two year.....some are out of this world....
John Lassiter

By the way everyone.......the name of the poster is JUILE not JULIE.......

I remember that thayeri. Welding torch orange as a baby. Held on to it and raised up. Sold it to Dave few years ago. DV

I am sure glad you decided to part with her....LOL
I can't wait to see her in person.
Great snake Dan....I can't wait to see what you come up with this year....Keep us posted.
Thanks,
John Lassiter

You're not gettin' a charge out of thayeri right now, are ya?!! Congrats to both of you. You picked up some mighty nice ready-to-go trios.

John, that Evan Stahl yellow male is outrageous, he produces some killer yellow and red-head babies, and Chris... I know you know what I mean! Sharktooth is outstanding.

Chris, that Torres female you bought produces some fantastic saturated orange offspring when paired to a nice orange male... like the Vermilya male that came with her. ooooooooooooohhh.... your heads are gonna be spinnin' this summer! I love it.

John, you just might get one of these out of your clutches this year, this is the only confirmed yellow male leonis fron the 2 '03 clutches of your new pair that closely resembles that big yellow male.....

Hi
How are you? Great looking snake. I know you keep several colors whats your favorite?
I "regret" wanting one of these snakes because just so many colors lol. No wonder most in here have a few.

The really nice thing about these variable kingsnakes is that YOU only need 2 of them. 1 male and one female. If money is a big issue buy a female first. Then buy an unrelated male the next year. By the time the female is big enough to breed (about 3-4 years) the male should be ready also, as long as they are properly brumated (hibernated). Once you bred them you'll have almost all of the variety you desire.

One word of caution though. Once you get one you'll be HOOKED. LOL

Yes I can see how someone would get hooked. I intend to get one female I was suprised at all the colors in this forum .
Infact I didnt know these types of snakes existed untill I saw mexicanmaks pictures in the photo gallery and he told me about this forum.
I only knew about Ca kings and the common kings . I have 2 garters going 6 yrs old. So I am no snake expert but I enjoy reading the forums for info.
My garters are both males. I never bred snakes only guppies and finches . I think these snakes came in more colors lol.

...thanks for asking, and how have you been? I know you are getting excited about baby kingsnake season being right around the corner, aren't you! You will very soon have lots of super nice ones to choose from, that's for sure. Thank you for the compliment on the yellow male, he really is quite the strapping young man isn't he! We can thank a man named Evan Stahl for producing his incredible father that you see above, now proudly owned by a very lucky man named John Lassiter. From what I have seen so far, the yellow in Evan's thayeri is hard to beat.

My favorite color, hmmmmmmm....... deep saturated orange, bright saturated orange, peach, vermillion, white, lime green, white with a super light lime green glow, buckskin, yellow with peach blush, yellow with orange blush, light buckskin with orange blush, yellow and orange bicolor, all of the above in leonis phase, all of the above in milksnake phase, all of the above in intermediate phase, all of the above in an outrageous broken or aberrant pattern, all of the above in a tiger striped leonis pattern, all of the above in an aberrant leopard pattern, all the recent wild types, jet black melanistic are awesome...

I can't decide... I'm sooo confused! OMG what to do... I know! ONE OF EACH!!! Do I have Thayeri-itis?!!

Seriously Julie... If you want my opinion as to what color to choose or what my favorite is, by all means it would be the really nice saturated orange in the leonis, intermediate and/or milksnake pattern phases. The orange seems to be the color that most of them hold on to through maturity more than any other that I have seen. Peach would be my second choice. The white and yellows seem to pale a bit, still gorgeous, but a hint of gray seems to appear quite often. The orange is what really turns the most heads, and after having many of them side by side for a while my eyes are constantly drawn to the outrageous orange ones, and I am still amazed by how striking they are. So I guess if I had to give them all up but one color, it would definitely be the orange that would stay.

I know the decision can be tough, but just decide and go for it! Believe me, you will never regret it.

Here is a really nice little saturated orange leonis number, she is an '03 I bought from Tim Gebhard. Something like this will cost you dearly, but at nearly 2 years old, her orange is just as intense and clean as you see it here. She looks exactly the same today, only considerably bigger of course. Money very well spent! Have fun Julie, TTYL.....

Glad your well. Oh yes that orange one is nice. I have read the name Evan Stahl a few times in this forum. I imagine he is like a top breeder because people refer to their snakes line and mention him.
By top breeder I mean he breeds them not they are his own off springs lol.
I got that enclosure I told you about. Its 36 inches long and 20 inches wide think 14 inches high. Its empty but set up and waiting for snake baby(neonate ) season. I do have a 10 gallon tank just incase she might be better off in there till gets bigger.
I do have a red belt in it because it looked so empty I had to pretend it had a snake in it lol.
I had my two garters in there as babies than after a few months put them in a 55 gallon. They were tiny but adjusted right away and enjoyed the room.
I prefer snakes with color but I noticed all the different colors these snakes come in but no albino.
These snakes remind me of guppies with their color.
Well, Talk to you later.

Darn it! Logged in under my old username that last time. Sorry if any confusion, I really gotta stop that... makisfree/mexicanamak, same guy.

I personally don't know a lot about Evan Stahl, I am still fairly new with thayeri and I believe he had gotten out of them about the time I started. I know I was recently directed to his site and don't recall seeing thayeri as part of his projects, John Lassiter would most likely know details. I sure do like that yellow male from Evan that John will soon have in his collection, he must have had some fine animals. And the visuals you give me... a man, top breeder, and his... his snakes?!! Come on girl! You be nice in here! lol!

Your enclosure sounds very nice. Would love to see it. Do you hava a digi-cam? I do think your great new Variable Kingsnake would be very happy for a lifetime in there once she gets a little size on her. As I mentioned before, they are quite tiny as babies and a little more secretive than garters I would think. Your thayeri would be much more settled in the smaller tank for the first year as long as she has a few cozy palces to hide. And she might like playing around on that belt! lol! You silly girl...

You mention albino, I don't believe there ever has been a true albino thayeri seen in the wild or produced in captivity. You will see them advertised from time to time, but these are thayeri x albino ruthveni crosses and are not pure.

Interesting you compare them to your guppies. I raised them too many years ago along with many other freshwater tropical fish, guppies do have similar variability to them. Pretty cool!

Mike (my real name)

Gorgeous snakes, John. Congrats.