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can anyone give me info on what permits i will need to hunt greybands in tx, will i need a tx hunting licens and a non game permit or just the non game permit, i will be there for 7 days and iam a non resident, type 157 permit is all that i think that i need but could be wrong

depends on how many and where you are collecting.

Josh
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Was told by T.P.W.D. today that i didnot need a hunting license if i had the 157 permit to collect reptiles. comments please.

The permit allows you to have them (and trade them as commerce), the license allows you to take them.

You would be safest to disregard that advice and collect with a valid license.

but you can turn around and purchase another one after the first one has expired. I've never done that and was told that at one time the re-purchasing of permit was kinda frowned upon by game and wildlife. For what reason I don't know. Now my question would be > with the bag limits of the license, would it be DOUBLED with a second license. Please anyone ?

It is no more likely than being able to purchase a second license for more game tags in one season...

If you are going to hit the numbers needed for a commercial permit, you just need the permit.

Now my question would be with the bag limits of the license, would it be DOUBLED with a second license. Please anyone ?

No. There is a per person bag limit on the possession of these non-game species. Being in possession of a permit allows you to possess the bag limit. But having ten permits doesn't change the bag limit. It isn't a per permit limit, it is a per person limit.

Another thing that people sometimes overlook is that the permit must remain in effect while you are in the state with possession of any animals. You can't buy a permit on Sunday night at midnight then hunt until midnight on Friday and then drive home Saturday with your animals. During the drive home, while you are in TX, you would be in violation of the codes.
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Chris Harrison

Are you going to find some many alterna that you need the permit?

can be gotten on a permit and license system not really thought out. While I have no doubt on the per person thing and " time " of practical validity of such license, do we all see the loop hole ? No. in no way would i ever even think of having the full total of the total species allowed or even would want to, but we probably have known/heard of someone of past or maybe even present that is an " advantage " taker of such. Commercialization > ? Probably ! But then of course would these commercial collectors even purchase a license ? I must admit that i had not ever figure the time limit of having the permit 157 in that scenario. And i have NEVER been told this by anybody of authority. I wonder how enforcible this would be ? As stated, you are done hunting and your 157 has expired, you are pulled over heading back out of state. I guess all the preaching that i have done on these sites to know the law of the particular state , one better read the fine print or ask because these book or pamphlet forms of regulations are VAGUE and doesn't even come close to giving some of this information out !

Isn't the permit relevant to anybody in the state of Texas that plans to propagate a native animal and sell / trade the offspring?

The permit as I understand it is tied to both quantity and commerce in native non-game wildlife.

I feel like it would do more to close up some loopholes than to close them. For example the rattlesnake round-ups bothered me because it was an unregulated harvest of a natural resource. Now there is a means to monitor it without having a huge effect on the person that would take a more rational number of animals for non commercial purposes.Isn't the permit relevant to anybody in the state of Texas that plans to propagate a native animal and sell / trade the offspring?

The permit as I understand it is tied to both quantity and commerce in native non-game wildlife.

I feel like it would do more to close up some loopholes than to close them. For example the rattlesnake round-ups bothered me because it was an unregulated harvest of a natural resource (that all of us theoretically owned). Now there is a means to monitor it without having a huge effect on the person that would take a more rational number of animals for non-commercial purposes. The biggest downside is that if you breed something and want to trade off some offspring you need to get your paperwork in order to be legal.

I guess all the preaching that i have done on these sites to know the law of the particular state , one better read the fine print or ask because these book or pamphlet forms of regulations are VAGUE and doesn't even come close to giving some of this information out !

I don't think the law is vague or confusing in any way regarding these 157 permits. They are good for 5 days. You must have one to hunt or be in possession of animals collected while in the state. That isn't vague to me.
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Chris Harrison

the regulation booklet i should of said with not a whole lot of " other " info on what we are talking about. Although one would really be having to find the other information as to seeking it out. The permit itself doesn't state anything. The non-wildlife offices and stores that sells the permit doesn't know what's up. Most other law enforcement that I have been stopped by doesn't know much of these things. I guess the word vague is a little vague to me ? LOL ! So we are back to the good old days of interpretation by the stopper of the stop-pee. Ya know, before if one could drive down the public road to look/hunt and things like that. I bet even with that NEW we can now ( hunt from roadway in vehicle but not stop on road ), it will still cause a few probs of interpretation. Maybe.......

if the law is to be interpreted correctly then i totally agree there should be no loop holes but with the example of the rattlesnakes events..........I'm from Kansas and I still say that the non-resident permit for Texas is fair in my opinion. Now did we at one time mention that there is suppose to be the Texas hunter safety class attached to any permit of hunting in Texas ? Never heard of anybody been turn downed if this was true but in Kansas, they are asking about it for non-game and non-resident and say that they will cross-adhere your other state hunters safety class qualifications. But geez...really need one for non weapon hunting ?

But to be safe I paid my $10 and took the class. I will admit I learned a few things in there, but none of it was relevant to collecting reptiles. To them non-game means rabbit or squirrel, and hunting means you shoot it with something.

I heard that you do not need the hunter safety course to collect live animals, but I also heard that if you born after (I think it was Sept 1, 1971) your hunting license is not valid without it. The two things I heard simply cannot both be true.

Duckman had his permit last year when he caught all that he did?? LOL..
Nathan

Now, now. Let's not get this started all up. Sheesh.
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Steve W.

But isn't there an out of state 1 year non-game only hunting license that is about the same price as the 5 day normal license?

Not needing out of state licensing myself I did not pay much attention to this at the time.

>>But isn't there an out of state 1 year non-game only hunting license that is about the same price as the 5 day normal license?

The 5 day permit (type 157) for non-residents is $45.
An annual permit (type 107) for non-residents is $125.

Therefore if you are hunting for 10 days or less, you save money by just buying 2 five day permits. If you hunt eleven or more days, the annual permit is cheaper.
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Chris Harrison

But do i need a non resident hunting license on top of the 157 permit? the last time i was in TX was 3 years ago and you didnot need the hunting license if you had the 157 non game permit.

The permit is a means to possess or transfer native wildlife. The license allows you to hunt or collect it. I am pretty sure that the license is more important than the permit unless you plan to sell / trade the animals or collect lots of them.

You need the 157 or 107 to collect non-commercial bag limits. If you are going to collect more you need the commercial permit AND the 157 or 107.
Also keep in mind the year long always expires on August 31st so if you go in June and get a year long you will need to get another license in September if you go again that year. I just checked the 107 license I bought last September and it is good until August 31, 2005. The cost was $125. Glad somebody brought this up as I had forgotten and probably would have bought another license this June.

You should only need the hunting license, unless you plan to sell or trade the animals.

Based on my past trips I do not expect to hit my bag limit on alterna and/or tri-colors. But it would be nice if that could happen....

Texas Non-resident hunting license good for one year = $300.00.

Texas Special Non-resident hunting license good for 90 days from day of purchase = $125.00.

Happy hunting. Hugh

But it was a passing, and not paying much attention glance a while back.