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More on the pastels...

koky6869 May 09, 2005 02:33 AM

i have been reading on the pastels in the other threads and so and so .. and i just wanted to post some pics of some boas i bought for $75 as normals . i in no way wanna discredit anyone or whatever but honestly at first i thought pastels were clean boas from a certain bloodline .. id appreciate any correction and or more input on all of this . thanks koky

here are the pics btw . these are 2 sisters

Now these two snakes i bought as normals for $85 and imo are prettier than most pastels ive seen lately.

but again . im not an expert on morphs .
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NO BEAUTY LIKE THE BEAUTY OF A TRUE REDTAIL !!

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koky6869 May 09, 2005 02:35 AM

1st snake was $75 (2 first pics)

2nd snake was $85 (snake in rest of the pics)
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NO BEAUTY LIKE THE BEAUTY OF A TRUE REDTAIL !!

neilm May 09, 2005 03:37 AM

I love the second one.

I'll say it again.

No beauty like the beauty of a pink Pastel.

By the way, who would be considered the so called "Pastel" expert? I would love to hear from this "expert".

Let me ask this question to all the "experts" out there. What makes a "Pastel" a "Pastel"? I just need to hear the definition from all the "experts" out there.LOL

I'll be up at 1pm to read the answer.....and comment...of course.LOL

Guy Scavone II May 09, 2005 05:01 AM

I couldn't agree more... where is the "expert" in all of the claims I see floating about regarding pastels. I've seen people say now that pastel is NOT a color trait, and I've seen people say that in order for a line to be a proven "pastel" line the trait has to be passed on as co-dominant. Where the hell is all of this coming from?! As far as I know the only person who has consistently been producing "pastels" is Jeff Ronne and i'm pretty sure he even has said that his line is from selective breeding over the years.

Koky, KILLER animals... looks like you scored on those. Why not throw em' up on the classifieds for $500 and make yourself a nice little profit

Thanks,

Guy Scavone II
Living Art Herpetology

koky6869 May 09, 2005 08:27 AM

my son would kill me if i sold either of those 2 animals . i bought em as a pair .. little ugly grey snakes they were when i bought em .. lol .. they were a christmas gift for him 1 year ago. they were newborns and thats what he wanted for x-mas . turnsa out they were both females. i didnt even bother sexing em when i got em . i figured the place was right. if they said it was a pair , they were right. lol . one day i just decided to run my finger down the tail of both and didnt feel anything on either and decided to probe. nada ! both females.. but my son was attached to em already (2 days later) and wouldnt let me return either . they were both the same size when i bought em and the pinker cleaner one is now 4 feet in length while the more orange one(1st 2 pics) is barely 3 feet. and both are fed exactly the same. 1 f/t rat every 7 days . wierd. ok back to the subject at hand
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NO BEAUTY LIKE THE BEAUTY OF A TRUE REDTAIL !!

bcijoe May 09, 2005 07:59 AM

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

chicagopsych May 09, 2005 10:36 AM

I think pastels are the results of good line breeding. It’s genetic, but not the result of a single gene, much like skin color in humans. All of my Columbians are so called “pastels” and I have paid far above pet store prices for them. However, I don’t mind because before the pastel craze many bred for high color and these high colored babies more often then not turned into dark dull adults. I always thought it was funny that a $250 baby boa later sells for $100 as an adult.

The pastel trend has led to people breeding for a reduction of black that seems to be the secret for light adults. An added bonus is that the reduction of dark pigment seems to allow for more color to show through as sub adults and adults. I never wanted to buy a Columbian before the pastel trend. I knew that many turned into great looking adults, but I did not want to risk it. The boas at the top of thread look as good as any pastel, and the price was definitely better. However, he states that they were plain gray babies. So they could have easily ended up being drab dark brown adults. Since I only keep a few boas, I prefer to pay the extra money for snakes that show the high reduction of black as babies. They don’t have to be called “pastels”, but the term serves as an easy way of summarizing their traits. Look at Gray’s site (allboas.com) to see an incredible collection of “normal” Columbians that don’t have the pastel label but fit what I look for in a boa anyway.

just the opinion of a novice collector,
Alton

koky6869 May 09, 2005 01:47 PM

and the above snakes are getting brighter as they mature .. more on the orange and yellowish lines with alot of pink on the sides. i think whoever bred these snakes was probably a bit selective on what they were doing. i mean .. if one would of been a great lookin snake and the other one average then id understand . but both are developing these incredible colors.. and i remember when i got em there was 5 in a tank and the other prettier ones than mine were sold already. id give anything to see how those turned out. i believe whoever bred these snakes probably ran into $$$ issues and sold the petstore a whole bunch at a good price . that . or the petshop owner bred em himself.
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NO BEAUTY LIKE THE BEAUTY OF A TRUE REDTAIL !!

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