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Has anyone else noticed how the bigger the croc monitor the lower the price while the smaller it is the more expensive?!? Ive seen hatchlings being sold for over $1000 and 6 footers for only $500...I think this is unusual.

It's not unusual, they buy a baby croc thinking they will handle it and tame it. It grows to be the beast it is supposed to be, they can no longer handle or control it so it gets sold to some nut like Rope. Hahaha
I just thought I was a little goofy until I listened to some of these croc people talk about their babies.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

People forget babies grow up. Then they realize it once they are grown and need to get rid of them.

The other thing is with imports a big adult is not going to adjust well to captivity. The younger smaller animals will acclimate easier and have growing to do, time to get used to the owner. Well until that growing up problem rears its head.

I get asked to take large adults often. Funny I never get asked to take babies, hmmmm

Ive had croc's for almost 15 years, ive sold many many crocs, not once has anyone wanted to return one when it reached adulthood or at any time. In fact adults are expensive. I have 3 open 8x10 for anyone who has an adult who wants to get rid of them, i will get ZERO replies. Oh yes, i will get sombody who wants to sell them (maybe one), but no, they are not give away adult savanah's(which in my personal experience rarely happens as they too have a $25-100 value when advertised in any media)

This give away theory is a myth, yes. it does happen on occasion, but thats a total distorted fabrication of relity. If you dont believe me, just advertise a free even savannah monitor in any media, it will be emediatly taken (not by some rescue either). If you were advertise a "CROC MONITOR" free but wanted to make sure it would get the care needed, you would have a hundred qualified keepers willing to BUT IT and start a bidding war. Sorry... this is pure BULLCRUD what you people are saying.

I hate to break it to you but I myself have been offered adult Crocs for free. Now in 11 years of having monitors this has only happened twice but is has happened. Both animals were adults and were piss a$$ mean and had some health problems.

So no this isn't something that is bull crap. I have been offered many adults monitors for free and have taken them in and then adopted them to good homes. The main species that I got as adults were Albigs and Boscs. I have even got Niles and Waters.
When your know for taking hard luck case monitors people come out of the wood works to get rid of them, especially adults they thought they could "tame".
Have a good day,
Christine
Tails With Scales Reptiles

"Happiness is biting my monitor back!"

Comparing sick animals that need attention was not the topic, you were offered some sick animals, im not saying it NEVER EVER had happend, it is rare, you had 2 in 11 years? and they were sick? Well of course that happens, im sure you can find dead free ones too. It isnt common for any monitor to be given away because there is always sombody willing to buy them.

Let me know when you are offerd these normal "adult" monitors for free, please post their advertising here. You cant, it wont ever happen, just to help you out, go to classifieds and take a look at some of the prices for "ADULT" any monitor(savannah) included, when the ads expires just ask them if they sold it, well they did.

Im not talking about the friend that wants to give his monitor to another freind, we are talking people who just cant find a person to buy their adult monitor and cant find anyone to care for it.

The only adult monitors that I was offered that were sick was the two Crocs. Both had a URI that is easily treated. But I didn't take them I didn't have the room.

All the other adults that I have taken were 100% healthy monitors. They were just unwanted pets. That happens! The same as dogs and cats. I have even been given adult snakes that were 100% healthy but they got to big or bit or something that has caused them to be dumped off. My Nile that I currently have was free, is an adult, and was 100% healthy when I got him.

This is a Water Monitor I got for free! An adult Female 100% Healthy.

So don't say it doesn't happen.
Good luck!
Christine
T.W.S Reptiles

Nile Monitor

Water Monitor

IM not talking about the ocational rare offered free monitor, there are not thousands of unwanted monitors, especialy adults. I had given away monitors free to friends and aquantances etc.

To make statements that its common for people to give away there adults is just plain wrong, check KS or anywhere else, adult Salvators average retail "sellable" price is about $600 , most people want more, nile adults are about $400 on average for adults. Where you see lower priced monitors are med sizes, why? because there common. You only see "free" monitors once in a while, and never ever have i seen a Croc for free advertised, Why? becuase theres always an aquantance wanting one ALWAYS. (i make the statement "ALWAYS" because i nor you or anyone else here has EVER seen it "EVER". It will never happen EVER, NEVER NEVER NEVER...

People jump at the oportunity for Monitors offered for free, now the argument could be the people who want free monitors arent good keepers.

and I am not going to argue with you. This has been my personal expierence over the last 11 years. My water is the only monitor that I have taken from someone that I knew, was an aquantance, have met a few times, or whatever you want to call it.

But none of this is important. As I said I am not going to argue with you or discuss this any further. At this point your just trying to pick a fight because of something you don't believe happens.
Good luck.
Christine
T.W.S. Reptiles

until it happens it never happens. But hey its OK that he has never had it happen.

After all I wouldn't offer him any of my monitors either yet alone for free. hahahaha

People who think like you need to get our more. You sit at your computer and explain how things work, your in the "Monitor" bubble. Because your so into the scene you have hundreds of contacts willing to give their monitors away to "you" selected individuals because they know the monitors will get a good life. That is the reason you may have been offered the monitor.

The post was about why are croc's are cheaper at med/larger size, well babys are more expensive because it incearses the chance at having a calmer pet. Med are common thus cheaper and less calm, larges are in demand because they are LARGE, people want them because they are large or to try to breed them.

People do not generaly give away monitors (any monitors) at any size, and yes, I have never EVER seen any croc monitor at any size free, although you may have had an aquantance offer his/her for free.

Lets do this, why dont we see how many "free" monitors are advertised anywhere to the general public, if there is more them 5 in the entire USA this week, i will be the liar, and if not, well...

You can go ramble on about how our were offered this and that etc., then why are you buying moitors? just get them for free?

Hows that, i belive i hit everything

usually you get offered things by someone who in some way has heard or knows of you. I never said otherwise. I said I was offered and have been offered you simply said NO you were not or never have it wont happen and cant happen.

So which is it does it happen or does it not happen?

Again I have been offered as I mentioned monitors for free, paying shipping, or for little money. Some cases by people I know, others have been people I have never met or knew. Some got my name from friends or others that know of me but do not know me.

I have given away perfectly healthy animals for free, or for the shipping fee. Of course this is to people who are working with monitors, why would I send them to someone who is not?

If you look only to KS who charges to post ads, you will not see to many offered for free or to just pay shipping. So I guess your sort of right. If that makes you feel better.

I did not mention "advertised" which is what i meant. So my statement of "NEVER" would be wrong.

"Lets do this, why dont we see how many "free" monitors are advertised anywhere to the general public, if there is more them 5 in the entire USA this week, i will be the liar, and if not, well... "
Lets see, I have 3 savs that were given to me, I had 2 others but traded them off. They were also free. They were and are all healthy animals. I have a blackthroat that was almost free.
I have an amzon tree boa that was given to me, or did I take it, I don't remember. I have a tegu that was given to me, I have 2 iguanas that were also free. My first monitor was a free adult nile.
I didn't personally know any of the people that gave them to me.
I have been offered adult waters if I would come pick them up. I don't have the room so I had to turn them down.
I guess I am just a sucker for a pretty face.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

You probably are good looking, the point was to find people having to advertise their monitors because they didnt want it and nobody wanted it, ive searched our california's popular classifieds and their archives, cant find a one. Ive given away monitors too, to people i knew, always sombody willing to take them. WHy? because people want them. You may be one of the few people who picked up a monitor free from an advertisement(i doubt it though)

I posted a FREE Croc 2 hours ago, i got tons of emails for people wanting it, i could give away a 100 an hour Why? BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THEM!, not just because it's free, because they want a big monitor. you wont see a croc advertised for free(any size, if you do see one, stand in line with the other thousand people), there a wanted commodity. I saw a free savannah 6 months back in the newspaper to a good home. One person was offered his savannah here on the forum too. If you would like, you can count those 2, maybe your right there are more then 5 in the usa per year advertised for free, but that hardly is a mentionable # considering there are millions in the USA. You can find more free horses or even cars then advertised free monitors.

I have to join the bandwagon, When I was actively posting about croc monitors, about a 3 year period, I would get 5 to 10 offers a year to take a croc monitor off their hands.

One I remember in particular, had a females that kept laying clutches of eggs and he was afraid to crawl into the cage and get them out.

No I did not take any of the offers.

I have an idea, why don't you post in the classifieds that you will take adult croc monitors for your longterm breeding project. That would be interesting. Heck, you may get your 50 or 100 individuals after all and free to boot. FR

No sense on even arguing anymore, i could have given 100 away in a day with an endless supply of people wanting them, in fact i could sell a 100 a day at $200 each probably. Funny to hear all you people saying you get them for free all the time, really funny. Guess no need to import them at all, theres enough free to supply the whole USA!. Maybe theres a way for FR to start a rescue and supply the whole world with his free monitors so the tens of thousands of monitor purchased wont be necesary. You could put the whole intire import and export business our of business, atleast the croc monitor import business, since only about 100 are imported per year, you already would have had 10% of the quota filled!

Experience? put your experience to work..can you imagine what goodd you could do?

their address and time sent to you. I'd love to see them!

I was offered for free 2 Bosc, 1 nile and 1 water monitor last week, but declined all of them = they were all perfectly healthy. Go to your local herp society 'adoption' personage and ask them - they always have a monitor laying around for a "GOOD" home....
mbayless

Here you go again talking about people. Yes you did you talked about me being a liar. haha You already keep proving over and over to me what kind of a person you are and how much you know. No need to keep proving it.

So lets talk about the subject. Like i did above. Yes i have been offered them for payment of shipping cost, as well as for free or for very little money. I have never been offered a baby for the same.

So if you have experience in this then lets hear about it. Stop with the BS'ing and only talking what others have not experienced. You are not them so you have no idea what they have or have not experienced. You however do know what you experience so talk about that.

Thanks and have a nice day

Small croc's are more attractive for people. My topic was about "ADULTS", people will snatch them up emedaitly. Im not calling you a liar, just your not experienced with supply and demand.

Why do you think so many retiles are imported?, there is a demand for them, if they were free they be no need to import them. I can sell 20 med-large crocs a month at $400-500 each, i wouldnt be able to sell them for anything if they were free, that why they are never offered free?

People dont give used cars away for free either, why because there is a demand for them too, are some given away for free? yes, is it common? of course not, why give somthing away for free that has value.

If med-large savannah were commonly available for free, nobody would buy them for $1.

I have no clue what most of you long timers here dont get?

All the monitors sold do not just die or given away for free later, people BUY them, and when they get 1, they buy more 2,3,4 etc.

If you would like go to classifieds and check out the large monitors for sale, 2 this week, 2 Salvator's (a cheaper monitor that averages $80-$100, imported cost about $20), these adults are priced at$1k-2k. They will be sold at $700 .

BTW, do you get your elite monitors free? No, you buy them, trade them etc. Do you give away monitors free?, No, Why? because they have value.

GO ahead and advertise your med-adult size Croc monitor for free, it will be taken, in fact you will be offered hundreds of doallrs for it, offer any of your adults for free or even any monitor you have. You know why you wont? Well, i know why, because you know sombody will jump at the oportunity.

You can call yourself a liar if you want to, im saying your wrong and inexperienced in the real world and how things work.

I am not talking about KS or supply and demand.

I said I have been offered adult croc monitors, I have never been offered the same with babies. Free, paying shipping, or at a low price. I said this because it has happened.

You come on here only to say this is not possable it will never happen cant happen etc. cause someone is always willing to buy blah blah.

I never said anything about someone not wanting to buy, I am sure if they advertised they could of sold it. But it does not change the fact that I have been offered them for free, or paying shipping, or for little money.

So again keep rattling on about never ever ever all you want. It will not change the fact that it happens.

After all you just found out about multiclutching. So at one point that never ever ever never happened either that is until it happened.

I think people that actually care about monitors get offered them (older animals) fairly often. Some people are not so greedy, and would prefer the animals in the hands of someone they trust, rather than a couple extra bucks in their pocket.

I'm not surprised that some people never get offered monitors, in fact I find it kind of reassuring, maybe there is hope for humans after all.

--Robert

n/p

exactly, there is little to no nope for us. well actually the the hope is for the "other" animals sharing our world, wait, are we sharing their world. Hmmmmmmmmm one of us, lots of them, maybe its us sharing their world, nope, its them sharing our world, nope, its gods world, wait, do animals have a god, is that god different? Maybe their god is the boss of our god, hmmmmmm yea cause if he/she, he/she was, we would get all sorts of things like giant waves, earthquakes, fire, floods, etc. to slow us down, nope, our god is the boss of their god, because none of that has worked yet. OK, I need to change my meds, bbl FR

Insightful. Suitably insane, but insightful. Tha fact that it made perfect sense to me makes me wonder about my meds.....

Leslie

I wouldn't offer any of my monitors for sale or otherwise to some individuals. Others I gladly would and have.

you are so sensible...good luck with everything...billy

Don't tell my wife, she'd die laughing.

--Robert

PS - How are you doing? I do miss your posts and pictures.

Scott

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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

You dont need to answer that, because he gave it to you, there was also a thousand other people wanting it too, if you gave them the chance. You got it because he wanted a good home for it and knew you would give it a good home.

Do you think you would have a hard time finding sombody to take it for free? of course not. You would have no problem giving it to an aquantance, not need to even have to advertise it. Probably wouldnt have a hard time giving away a nickle house gecko.

Maybe Jody remembers.
We talked and I looked at some pics of different animals he had and inquired about the female sav. We agreed on the price, I pay for shipping and it was mine.
To bad I was talked out of her and her boyfriend (which was also free, from a petstore of all places) for a baby argus.
She was pooping out infertile eggs and someone else wanted to give it a go.
If someone ever offered me a croc, baby or adult I would tell them no thanks in a hurry.The same I did with the waters.
Oh, by the way, I am working on a deal for a female blackthroat to go with my male. I might actually have to pay for shipping to get her.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Each was 5-5.5ft long male and in beautiful shape, I told them, "no, Im not interested in something that gets that big, Ill stick with my little albigs". This was over several years, Ive been offered a 4ft male BT recently from an email a guy sent out of nowhere, he asked 3 times. I was offered more boscs, niles, and many many green iguanas (not the slightest bit interested in them). I was some expensive more exotic adult or subadult monitor species on occasion, said no again. I usually send them to a good friend who rescues and adopts them out or keeps them with his collection. I havent recalled ever being offered a croc monitor yet, but it will happen sometime Im sure. I looked at a big adult male at a reptile show recently, the people couldnt get anyone interested in him all day.

I usually keep my head waaay down when the big guns come out, but, new as I am to monitors, I can say that you are wrong. The rescue sav I have had been advertised for free in our local paper before I got it. When the woman did not get any answers, she announced that she was either going to set it free, or give it to a 9 year old neighbor (in case you are not aware of my acquisition of 'Bubba,' my daughter volunteered me to take this 2 foot sav that was living (?) in a 20 gallon with no heat and no hide and crickets for food). I got it FREE.

A month or so ago, there was an add for a free 4 foot nile and a 5.5 foot 'something' (from the description probably a water of some sort). Two weeks after I saw the ad, I was offered these monitors. Seems the landlord checked the garage after the tennant moved out, and they had been left in the garage! He got no answers to his ad. The landlord happened to contact the pet store that sells my leos for me and they called me. No way am I ready for these! I got them in touch with a guy I know who has a large salvatore, and he took them. FREE.

Last week there was an ad for a free 3.5 foot sav. I called a guy who is trying to put together a breeding group of savs and he took her. FREE.

You must live in a very monitor poor area...

Leslie

Some people need to work on their people skills. Some of us are downright friendly and come across as caring individuals.
Everyone that knows me well, knows I don't care much for people, but I love critters and kids.
Maybe it's beacause they don't have a hidden agenda, they only want to be cared for and kept safe.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Hey, if I was out of line with that post, I apologize.

I come here to learn, but every so often I gotta open my mouth. I was lucky enough to be smart enough to have at least some idea where to go to get some idea what the poor sav would need, and I have been rewarded unmeasurably watching the poor dehydrated debilitated critter improve to the point of being able to act like a monitor and help teach me what it needs. Thanks to the monitor, and the people here, I've learned a lot. And I've sure got a lot more to learn.

To say that there will always be someone willing to pay for someone's large, probably nasty and poorly cared for, unwanted impulse buy monitor is, to me, like saying we don't have a problem with unwanted animals. I think we all know better.

Sorry if my posts offended anybody.

Leslie

I was refering to the keepers that aren't ever, ever offered free lizards and snakes. I figure you are one of the softies. that can't say no to a pretty face.

Scott

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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Gad, yes! I have 'sucker' written across my forehead in 'critter language.'

Funny thing. I never thought I wanted a monitor. You see, I did my reading, and figured that I'd stick with gentler, kinder lizards. Then my daughter told me about Bubba and, being my daughter, who has watched me rescue everything from 'dumpster kitties' to horses to kids, she knew Mom would take it, and care for it, and make it alright again. And my also sucker husband began to talk about how he could re-engineer the huge garden tub into a secure, humidity holding enclosure....

Now I'm solidly hooked. Working hard at getting the husbandry thing right for Bubba and my remaining ackie in the hopes of someday convincing Frank I can be a good keeper for one of his crosses. LOL! But I do have a real soft spot for Bubba, who started the whole monitor thing for me. I need a bigger house, then I could also get one of JCMonitor's CB savs and....

Leslie

That they will grow up friendly and cuddly, they see reality when the animal never changes (kinda like women and their choice of men, we dont change either). They get scared of reality when they either get bit, scratched bad, or imagine what it will be like to have either happen, they practically give them away because nobody wants them, like crocodilians. A good friend gets alligators and caiman offered to him every other day, the owners are scared of reality, but thought it was cool before they grew up. He has a 9 footer and a 6.5 footer now (male and female), and barely was able to find homes for a 3.5ft and 2 ft alligator, yet people buy babies for high prices.
It happens with iguanas I believe more than any other reptile.