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What is the most snakes you have ever found under one piece of cover? Today, under one rock, I found; 2fox snakes, 5plains garters, and 2eastern garters for a grand total of 9 snakes.
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Mike, I keep: veil chams, corns, kings, tiger sals, fox snake, box turts, plains garters, dekay snakes

Jer

I know I've seen twenty under one board, and I really haven't ever tried for the record.
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Chris Harrison

of prairie ringnecks Chris. Kenny W and Troy H have told me about them, but it seems as if I'm always somewhere else at emergence time. Someday though... rgds/Dick

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I found a piece of carpet in western MO that was holding a BUNCH of ringnecks. Me and my buddy started grabbing as quick as we could, but after a while we just gave up with PLENTY still squirming around under the remaining cover. We had captured (and immediately released) 98 ringnecks, and 4 skinks. I think my hands STILL stink !!!!!!!!!!

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I scattered 14 rough earth snakes from under a railroad tie once. Realized later they were breeding.
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I've seen a few places in Michigan where there was probably at least a dozen under one log, or rock.

My largest find other than that was thirteen snakes under a rock barely a foot square; one sm. green, two red-bellies, three browns, seven E. garters, and a skink. (Reported that here two yrs. ago.)

My best find ever was under another rock of about one foot square; caught five adult E. fox snakes, plus two got away, two melanistic E. garters, and one got away. See if you can figure that one out

PS: How about some more info about where and how you made this great find of the fox and Plains garters? I'd love to find some Plains garters one of these days.

TC

I found them in Will County, IL. It was in an old field with boards and spots of concrete, the rock I flipped was a piece of cement which was only about 2sq ft but about 100lbs. Around here I usually only find plains and not eastern garters. So far this season I found more than 70 radix and 10+ vulpina. The only problem with the vulpina is getting them to eat so I usually let them go if they refuse. Let me know if you come to the Chicago region... I'l give you some good spots to herp!

Mike

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Mike, I keep: veil chams, corns, kings, tiger sals, fox snake, box turts, plains garters, dekay snakes

Is it legal to collect vulpina, etc in Illinois?
Joe
http://www.herpnet.net
Reptiles and Amphibians of Iowa and Minnesota

I would like to know too. If anyone has a link to the herp regs for Illinois, could you post or e-mail me?

I know in Michigan, Western fox snakes are not protected, but Easterns are. There are some new regs, though, and you can only keep like three vulpina at the most, I think. I guess we need to check our regs every year to keep up with any changes. A lot of herpers in MI don't have any idea what the regs are and can't find them anywhere. It's a challenge.

In Ohio, you have to get a license, or something, to keep them, and pit-tag them. Out-of-staters can't collect anything. I think it's similar in Indiana. I don't know anything about Illinois, but I'd find out before going there

PS: How's things where you live nowadays, Joe?

TC

>>I would like to know too. If anyone has a link to the herp regs for Illinois, could you post or e-mail me?
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>>I know in Michigan, Western fox snakes are not protected, but Easterns are. There are some new regs, though, and you can only keep like three vulpina at the most, I think. I guess we need to check our regs every year to keep up with any changes. A lot of herpers in MI don't have any idea what the regs are and can't find them anywhere. It's a challenge.
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>>In Ohio, you have to get a license, or something, to keep them, and pit-tag them. Out-of-staters can't collect anything. I think it's similar in Indiana. I don't know anything about Illinois, but I'd find out before going there
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>>PS: How's things where you live nowadays, Joe?
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>>TC

You are allowed eight of each species a day to collect as long as they are not threatened or endangered.

here is the link
Illinois Herp Laws

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Mike, I keep: veil chams, corns, kings, tiger sals, fox snake, box turts, plains garters, dekay snakes

Thanks for the info, Mike.

Terry,
Most everything is protected in Iowa now with the exception of "game species" like some turtles, some frogs that can be taken for bait or food and a couple others. These requires state licenses. Garters are offered no protection. The protected staus of each species is descibed on the HerpNet web site (see link below)
This spring the state legislature tried to do away with the state's Endangered and Threatened Species list which would have left many vulnerable species without special protection. This effort, led by republicans of course, was suppose to enhance the economic development of the state. Its amazing the solutions these geniuses come up with!
by the way, did anyone see the editorial in Sunday's NY Times against keeping any and all exotic pets? Pretty amazing.

Joe
www.HerpNet.net
Reptiles and Amphibians of Iowa and Minnesota

Joe,

Seems many states are going that way. Funny how they want everything protected, but then they're willing to do away with all protection when it comes to development and stimulating the economy.

In Michigan, our republican governor tried to do similar stuff before leaving office. He tried to get oil drilling in the Great Lakes legalized too, neither of which he was able to do. What kills me is that our wetlands have suffered so much, and have such a small percentage left, and yet that is where the most pressure for development is. Government in Lansing wants to protect everything, but easily gives permits to take over more wetlands. It pretty much gives in to whatever pressure there is, and doesn't really care much about herps or herpers, IMHO.

I'm not sure I saw the Times article or not. Do you have a link?

Thanks for the link to HerpNet. I didn't have that on my new computer.

TC

Terry,
Most everything is protected in Iowa now with the exception of "game species" like some turtles, some frogs that can be taken for bait or food and a couple others. These requires state licenses. Garters are offered no protection. The protected staus of each species is descibed on the HerpNet web site (see link below)
This spring the state legislature tried to do away with the state's Endangered and Threatened Species list which would have left many vulnerable species without special protection. This effort, led by republicans of course, was suppose to enhance the economic development of the state. Its amazing the solutions these geniuses come up with!
by the way, did anyone see the editorial in Sunday's NY Times against keeping any and all exotic pets? Pretty amazing.

Joe
www.HerpNet.net
Reptiles and Amphibians of Iowa and Minnesota

Are you involved with the Iowa Herp Site? I love that site. I'm in Wisconsin, but use it all the time.
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Tim

I do the technical side of it, that and the minnesota site. We just added county range maps to the Iowa site.

Glad it works for you. Its become a pretty popular site!

Joe

I wish I could report that I have found Ringnecks in that number. They're just not that common down here in East Texas. I have only found one Mississippi Ringneck in my 18 yrs of living in Houston. As for my greatest find maybe 4 or 5 Nerodia I found under a board in a dryed up portion of a creek, that should not be counted...........SCOTT WAHLBERG

I lifted a rock in Waubunsee County Kansas (the flint hills) and there were 3 Ringneck snakes and 4 intergrade Milk Snakes
I have on 3 occasions found 4 osage copperheads under 1 rock. Now if you want to talk Ringneck snakes, try 300 /- Ringneck snakes under a 4 x 8 piece of ply wood. The ground was literaly crawling with them. This spot has three boards in a row that produce these numbers due to the deep cracks in the dry ground below them I suppose, Don Brasco...didnt you witness this? Chad

Dude, did you ever get a phone?!
Drop me a line
kpratt2@kc.rr.com
I am off 3 days a week and wanna go herpin out your way again!

D

Two adult Papuan taipans under one pile of crash barriers in Papua New Guinea.

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And this is the female of the 1.1 adult taipans we caught there:

Not much in terms of number, and yes, they were under more than a single item of cover, but do I get points for quality?

Cheers,

Wolfgang
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I guess I'd give ya points, not only for the snakes, but also for the location. It must have been a challenge trying to catch two of those. I tend to give snakes that dangerous a lot of room.

Cheers

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I'll be in Green Valley, AZ from July 21 to August 5, and the Chiricahuas from July 25 to 28th. Anyone that will be in the area and wants to communicate, send me an e-mail with your info. Thanks....TC.

with my measly fifteen Western Ground Snakes under a bit of dried corrugated cardboard, but it was still fun. And ringnecks DO count--they are beautiful, and BETTER than those dunmb ol' rattlesnakes and gopher snakes. Not better than milk snakes, though. Or fox snakes. Some other stuff. But they still count.

but I bet nobody ever found fifteen of those under a board or rock. Prairie ringnecks are way too common and not too impressive in stature to get anyone excited. But, hey, I like ringnecks, especially the regals.