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Gus
A. Rentfro
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"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

Gus,
congratulations!!!!I've been waiting to see you produce some suri's.Can you post pics of parents? Ash Lopez
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What the heck are you doing over there? Baby Surinames in May? That's just not right. hehe

Congrats on the little guys & keep up the good work.

Suris in May? I am still waiting for ovulations LOL. Absolutly beautiful litter Gus. I can't wait to see more pictures (don't make me wait to long )

Cool litter. Congratz
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Gabor Kaminski

a suri litter born in May? My earliest ever for BCC is Sept.

Mark

.. well, I think maybe you aren't looking for the long answer (or a serious one) but here goes anyway.

The main element of our breeding program is to plan for each litter starting an entire year in advance.. as an example the nice girl who made this litter is now started again on a schedule to have another litter next May or early June just as it was planned for her to reach best condition for breeding and enter the cooling cycle at the end of November last year.

I won't pound the feed to her to get her fat now (anyway she looks good) because I don't want to chance her growing follicles before the right time and chance having poor fertility. And we don't run out to the boa-room and put pairs together if there's a storm in the neighborhood or if the female 'looks really big today' but rather stick to the plan, which includes rationing food to the males and cycling them which I believe enhances fertility and drive (to breed).

It took an entire year plus some to watch her and see her needs as well as acclimatise her and her mate to the program.. and perhaps some chance to produce young may have been missed but for us here under the conditions we keep the results are a high rate of success and a low incidence of problems.

FYI these are not our first Surinames, in 1979 after my first trip to Paramaribo I made many nice Suriname litters (with the help of the snakes, of course).. but in about 1995 I made the mistake of letting most of them go and my project washed out.. since then I've just been sitting back trying to acquire nice snakes with some real locality info.. I hope this is just the beginning of good things to come.

Thanks for your comments..
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Gus
A. Rentfro
RioBravoReptiles.com
www.riobravoreptiles.com

"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

Gus,
...Nice looking litter. I think long term planning is the secret to continued success. It seems to be a common theme for the people who have been breeding reptiles for many years. It seems like we see people getting into and out of boid breeding at a very high rate. I sometimes wonder what happened to their enthusiasm and their collections when they are into and out of snake breeding in just a few short years.
Jeff

>>.. well, I think maybe you aren't looking for the long answer (or a serious one) but here goes anyway.
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>>The main element of our breeding program is to plan for each litter starting an entire year in advance.. as an example the nice girl who made this litter is now started again on a schedule to have another litter next May or early June just as it was planned for her to reach best condition for breeding and enter the cooling cycle at the end of November last year.
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>>I won't pound the feed to her to get her fat now (anyway she looks good) because I don't want to chance her growing follicles before the right time and chance having poor fertility. And we don't run out to the boa-room and put pairs together if there's a storm in the neighborhood or if the female 'looks really big today' but rather stick to the plan, which includes rationing food to the males and cycling them which I believe enhances fertility and drive (to breed).
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>>It took an entire year plus some to watch her and see her needs as well as acclimatise her and her mate to the program.. and perhaps some chance to produce young may have been missed but for us here under the conditions we keep the results are a high rate of success and a low incidence of problems.
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>>FYI these are not our first Surinames, in 1979 after my first trip to Paramaribo I made many nice Suriname litters (with the help of the snakes, of course).. but in about 1995 I made the mistake of letting most of them go and my project washed out.. since then I've just been sitting back trying to acquire nice snakes with some real locality info.. I hope this is just the beginning of good things to come.
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>>Thanks for your comments..
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>>Gus
>>A. Rentfro
>>RioBravoReptiles.com
>>www.riobravoreptiles.com
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>>"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

One thing you are doing differently than me is starting the cycling process over a month sooner. I rely somewhat on the natural temperature changes to accomplish temperature cycling. It's usually still hot as heck here in FL in november.

One thing that I have observed in my limited breeding of BCC(both peru and suriname) is that my females that have produced previously, produce sooner the second time around even though I begin cycling and male introduction at the exact same time every year. This has proven to be true now with three different animals. Seems as though the courtship process is shorter and ovulations come sooner. Here are some dates showing what I am attempting to describe. In all cases, cycling began Jan 1, male introduction Feb 1.

Peru Boa # 1
First reproduction - Ovulation 5/24/02, Birth 9/29/02
Second reproduction - Ovulation 5/8/04, birth 9/16/04

Peru Boa # 2
First reproduction - Ovulation 6/3/03, Birth 10/17/03
Second reproduction - Ovulation 4/23/05, Birth ????

Suriname Boa
First reproduction - Ovulation 5/2/03, Birth 9/14/03
Second reproduction - Ovulation 4/20/05, Birth ????

Here's some additional supporting data. I have two additional females that I'm attempting to breed for the first time this year. Niether of these two first timers has ovulated yet even though they were cycled and had their males introduced at the exact same time. For one of the two, another peruvian, the male just stopped courting about 4 days ago, she's very swollen and I'm anticipating an ovulation within a week or two. The second animal is a BCA, she's swollen up like a balloon but the male is still going at it. Even though she is swollen I have not observed what appears to be an ovulation on her yet.

Mark

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How about some pics of the parents, and when might these little guys go one the market?
thanks,
andy