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This is how I understand it:

"In the beginning Bob created the Ball Python market. And the market was without morph, and wild traits were upon the industry. And Bob said, Let there be morph, and there was morph. And Bob saw the morph, that it was good; and Bob divided the morph from the wild trait. And Bob called the morph Albino, and the wild trait Normal. And the Albino and the Heterozygous Albino were the first investment."
-- Christopher 1:1-1:5

There is probably only one line of Albino. All the so called High Contrast Albinos are of the same original Albino lineage, just bred for a little more contrast and labeled a more marketable name. Okay. I can handle this. Yet recently I've seen more and more ads labeling these animals Super High Contrast Albinos.

C'mon! What's next? Super Duper High Contrast Albinos?

Stop the madness! Albinos are Albinos are Albinos...

Just My Thoughts,
Chris
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You can still buy WC albinos. They all didnt come from the same line.

You can even get unrelated Carmel albinos.

True. However, couldn't they all be from the same original Albino mutation? I remember reading somewhere that most (if not all) WC Albinos are compatable with Bob Clark Albinos.

Okay. So maybe Bob didn't CREATE the Albino. You know what I mean. =)

Chris =)
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Just because they a compatible doesnt mean that they all came from the same line.

Do you think an albino from Benin would be related to an albino from Togo? Or Ghana? Very unlikely and almost impossible.

I think there are many albino lines that are unrelated but compatible.

As far as faded and high contrast......

The albino gene takes away all the black (there is more to it but lets keep it simple) so if you get normals that have a higher contrast and you breed them into the albino line then you should get albinos that have higher contrast. My opinion is that it isnt the albino gene that makes them high contrast.....its the normal gene.

This is just my opinion. I have seen "high contrast" albinos produce "faded" albinos and "faded" produce high contrast.

My .02 cents

Raul

With a few rare exceptions, all albinos, whether they are Bob’s fifth generation captives, or Ian’s wild caught right out of the bag, when bred to each other, will produce albinos, hence they are all the same tyrosine negative mutation. The difference comes from what they have been bred into. The albino, line-bred into high contrast black and gold normal female, generally will give the higher contrast albino baby, once the albino gene comes thru. A less contrasting colored female line-bred to an albino, on average, may not produce as nice offspring.
Harford Reptile

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Al Zulich
Harford Reptile
www.pythons.com

But you are right, an albino is an albino, the "high contrast" adult albinos that I've seen aren't much different than "normal" albinos. Mine started loosing his high contrastedness around 600 grams, tho still brighter than a "normal" albino, I don't expect that it's a lasting thing. I suppose it's like a pastel browning out.

Worth more money - not really - an albino is an albino is an albino. But if you are going to cross it with something, for color or clarity it may be wiser to have one that at least starts out looking really nice.
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Tosha

"Of course, this is just my opinion...and I believe I am God." -- Christopher Bianco

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Chris...hate to be the bringer of bad news but...you are probably gonna be roasting marshmallows over Hitler's ass somewhere in the 4th circle of Hell for that one...LOL...don't worry I'll bring the chocolate and graham crackers.

I agree, "high contrast" is kind of misleading. But, as neonates they do have more contrast than "regular" albinos. And don't forget, most ball pythons don't look as "pretty" as adults (morphs included). The ball python market isn't geared for selling adult animals...it's for the snazzier baby bps.

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Sometimes, things are exactly as they appear...sometimes.

"Chris...hate to be the bringer of bad news but...you are probably gonna be roasting marshmallows over Hitler's ass somewhere in the 4th circle of Hell for that one..."

Only the fourth? I would've expected at least the fifth or sixth circle. =)

Chris

(PS -- Umm...God? I was only kidding. You know that...right?)
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Sorry to disappoint you Chris... I think God is too busy right now creating a new morph or ball python to ensure a complete and total collapse in the piedball market... just to prove you wrong
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Bryan, Atlanta GA

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Thanks Chris, that was funny. You are right, an albino is an albino is an albino.

Carmel albino and lavender albino are different mutations and are probably not compatible (although I don't KNOW that for a fact since nobody has come forward yet to show the offspring of such a union)

With a few generations of selective breeding you 'could' produce better and better looking offspring, the same way you could with any morph... Are they a mutation in their own right worth hundereds of dollars more? Nahhhh....

Mark

>>This is how I understand it:
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>>"In the beginning Bob created the Ball Python market. And the market was without morph, and wild traits were upon the industry. And Bob said, Let there be morph, and there was morph. And Bob saw the morph, that it was good; and Bob divided the morph from the wild trait. And Bob called the morph Albino, and the wild trait Normal. And the Albino and the Heterozygous Albino were the first investment."
>>-- Christopher 1:1-1:5
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>>There is probably only one line of Albino. All the so called High Contrast Albinos are of the same original Albino lineage, just bred for a little more contrast and labeled a more marketable name. Okay. I can handle this. Yet recently I've seen more and more ads labeling these animals Super High Contrast Albinos.
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>>C'mon! What's next? Super Duper High Contrast Albinos?
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>>Stop the madness! Albinos are Albinos are Albinos...
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>>Just My Thoughts,
>>Chris
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bred to better contrast normals the hets will throw better contrast albinos later....

.....others will not agree...........

.........same with high contrast pastels

same with some of my het ghosts.....they almost look ghost already,....

same as ghost themselves......some actually suck while others scream color.......

etc

etc

etc
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