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hey guys and gals, could you if possible post pics of your egyptians for me. how big they are and age. i read in a book that they can get to 30 inches? whats the biggest one that some one has. do all egyptians get 20 inches plus? are there smaller/larger locals? whats the size difference between sexes?
thanks for your info

Hey there!
I think it was Lindsay Pike that once told me "30inch+ Egyptians are like Shaquille O'Neil....they exist, but are very rare." It seems that my males are longer and leaner than the females..but that is still a work in progress..there seems to be so much variation just within the 6 that I have that any conclusive proof is very elusive. Took me two years just to determine sex ...of the Uros that is...I am a slow learner what can I say. My largest is just tickling 24" and just had a bout with all the worst things that a keeper could face. He seems to have kicked those maladies.Thank god.
This is by far one of the best reptile forums for great info!!
Good luck
Ed

>>hey guys and gals, could you if possible post pics of your egyptians for me. how big they are and age. i read in a book that they can get to 30 inches? whats the biggest one that some one has. do all egyptians get 20 inches plus? are there smaller/larger locals? whats the size difference between sexes?
>>thanks for your info

Mine is about 9 months, and about 8 inches long. I know that there are 2 varieties of Egyptian. The microlepsis (Doug Dix breeds these), which is smaller, and the aegyptius (Lindsay Pike breeds these) which is larger. It is also my understanding that the males are usually longer than the females at full growth, but that is strictly theoretical knowledge on my part.

Elizabeth

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I have 3 egyptians. My male, Dog, is about 4 years old and about 20 inches. My females are almost two and are about 14 inches. Here's a pic of Dog. Hope you enjoy.
Tristan

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Tristan
1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

I have learned a great deal about these guys from different breeders. But there are so many question regarding taxonomy. This could not be more true with Egyptians and also the Mali / Banded Uros.
I was wondering if you have any close-up pictures of Dog and Your 2 females. The reason being
I am trying to determine if anybody actually has a Uromastyx Aegypticus Microlepis subspecies.
I do not plan to publish photos, just get a comparative photos of the Tubercles, and Coloration.
I ask of you because looking at the photograph your does seem to display the "netting pattern" sometime referred to as microlepis.

>>I have 3 egyptians. My male, Dog, is about 4 years old and about 20 inches. My females are almost two and are about 14 inches. Here's a pic of Dog. Hope you enjoy.
>>Tristan
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>>Tristan
>>1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
>>1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
>>0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

Thanks for the compliment. I got Dog from a lady in Hollywood. I'm not sure if he's the microlepis subspecies or not though. I got my two females from Noel (Hacienda Anura). He thinks that one of them is a microlepis and the other is an aegypticus and the other is microlepis. I think he might be right because Slo Mo (the one on the left) is noticeably smaller than Cleo (the one on the right). You could see the size difference in their legs.
That pic was taken about 6 months ago and the size differential is even more evident now. I will try to take some recent pics for you when I get the chance.
More pics of my uros are in my gallery. Search under the username 'tristan' and you can view them.
Keep me posted on any conclusions you find on this matter because I'm interested myself.
Tristan

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Tristan
1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

Do your uros have the tubercles along the flanks do some have them and others are absent?
Size and coloration....these are so hard to determine a subspecies. I have had conversations with Lindsay Pike about taxonomy....I tend to share the sentiments he has. That being, What constitutes a definitive deviation, justifing a new subspecies/species.
Also, do you plan to breed your egyptians?

>>Thanks for the compliment. I got Dog from a lady in Hollywood. I'm not sure if he's the microlepis subspecies or not though. I got my two females from Noel (Hacienda Anura). He thinks that one of them is a microlepis and the other is an aegypticus and the other is microlepis. I think he might be right because Slo Mo (the one on the left) is noticeably smaller than Cleo (the one on the right). You could see the size difference in their legs.
>>That pic was taken about 6 months ago and the size differential is even more evident now. I will try to take some recent pics for you when I get the chance.
>>More pics of my uros are in my gallery. Search under the username 'tristan' and you can view them.
>>Keep me posted on any conclusions you find on this matter because I'm interested myself.
>>Tristan
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>>Tristan
>>1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
>>1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
>>0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

what do tubercles look like? Could you perhaps give a photo showing what they are?
the pics i've seen on the web of the microlepis make them look like they have a 'yellowish' hue to them and their scales look to be finely 'meshed.'
yes, I do plan to breed them. I am waiting another year for my females to grow up. my male is definately ready though.
have you had any successful breedings from yours?
tristan
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Tristan
1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

Tubercles as I understand are enlarged scales that line the flanks or are scattered along the lateral portions of the Uro.
The coloration debate is a tough one. I have 6 Egyptians that all have different coloration and pale patterns.
I just recently had my female deposit 26 eggs. The incubator has them now I will keep the forum posted.
Keep your fingers crossed
Here is a shot that demonstrates tubercles...I think?

>>what do tubercles look like? Could you perhaps give a photo showing what they are?
>>the pics i've seen on the web of the microlepis make them look like they have a 'yellowish' hue to them and their scales look to be finely 'meshed.'
>>yes, I do plan to breed them. I am waiting another year for my females to grow up. my male is definately ready though.
>>have you had any successful breedings from yours?
>>tristan
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>>Tristan
>>1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
>>1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
>>0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

I'll see if I can get some pics of the 'tubercles' of my uros and I'll post them. Congrats on your eggs! Keep us posted. The only lizards I've bred are bearded dragons. It's exciting though... the blood vessels form... the embryo... the hatching
Is this your first clutch? How old and how big is your female?
tristan
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Tristan
1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

I have bred H20 dragons before and that became too much they have alot of clutches per year.
She is 3 had her since she was 6".
My other female who was a recent addition appears to be starting to dig as well.
Possibly both?
I really hate the hovabator incubators. The one I have them in really varies in temperature.
If I do get luck with another clutch they are going in the rubbermaid ice chest with a aquarium heater and water configuration.
thanks for the reply of the tubercles.
I know that Lindsay Pike is really interested in various appearances of Egyptians as well. Do you know him?
Btw How did Noel of Hacienda Anura decide which of yours was Microlepis and Aegypticus?

>>I'll see if I can get some pics of the 'tubercles' of my uros and I'll post them. Congrats on your eggs! Keep us posted. The only lizards I've bred are bearded dragons. It's exciting though... the blood vessels form... the embryo... the hatching
>>Is this your first clutch? How old and how big is your female?
>>tristan
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>>Tristan
>>1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
>>1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
>>0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

i've bred bearded dragons before and i hope to be successful with my egyptians. i inquired about egyptians with lyndsay pike when i was searching for them about a year ago. i know he also breeds them. is he a regular on this forum? perhaps we could discuss the micro vs. aegypticus issue.
i asked noel if the microlepis tends to be smaller and he didn't think there was a size difference. he had micros and aegypticus' all in one big terrarium the size of a swimming pool although i wasn't able to see any of them because they were burrowing.
when i went to pick out my females when they were about 6'' he looked at the texture of the scales to tell the difference. i've attached two pics (courtesy of noel) that he sent me and labeled the different subspecies. maybe this helps.
how big is your 3 year old that laid the eggs again?
tristan

http://img284.echo.cx/my.php?image=uromastyxaegyptius0039gx.png
http://img268.echo.cx/my.php?image=uromastyxaegyptius0046tu.png
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Tristan
1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)

I think your experience with the dragons will help.
Lindsay checks in to the forum frequently, but I do not know how often he posts.
I would love to see Noels facility. Sounds interesting.
My female is 21" and was about 1000grams although she is much slimmer now.
How big were Bearded's eggs? H20 dragons were abouyt the size of good and plentys when they were laid and grew to get somewhat larger.
These are like 4 times that size. They are really really large!
Looks like my other female is digging up her enclosure....so we'll see what happens.
Thanks for the pictures.
Ed

>>i've bred bearded dragons before and i hope to be successful with my egyptians. i inquired about egyptians with lyndsay pike when i was searching for them about a year ago. i know he also breeds them. is he a regular on this forum? perhaps we could discuss the micro vs. aegypticus issue.
>>i asked noel if the microlepis tends to be smaller and he didn't think there was a size difference. he had micros and aegypticus' all in one big terrarium the size of a swimming pool although i wasn't able to see any of them because they were burrowing.
>>when i went to pick out my females when they were about 6'' he looked at the texture of the scales to tell the difference. i've attached two pics (courtesy of noel) that he sent me and labeled the different subspecies. maybe this helps.
>>how big is your 3 year old that laid the eggs again?
>>tristan
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>>http://img284.echo.cx/my.php?image=uromastyxaegyptius0039gx.png
>>http://img268.echo.cx/my.php?image=uromastyxaegyptius0046tu.png
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>>Tristan
>>1.1 Blood Pythons (Rambo and Medussa)
>>1.2 Egyptian Uromastyx (Dog, Cleo, Slo Mo)
>>0.1 Suriname Red Tail Boas (Stoney)