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Looks like I'm gonna end up with 6 healthy 50% het albino babies. My female turned out to not be a het as promised, big surprise. But either way, great "practice" clutch. I'm hoping to be seeing alot of pastels poking their heads out next season. My $200 camera seems to really suck but here are a few pics of what's going on right now. I'll post more when they decide to come out. It is still a little early though so I'm definitely not rushing them. I've calmed down so much just knowing they're healthy and whether or not my female was really a het. Thanks again for everyone's help.

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Who sold you the Het that did not prove out?

I believe the guy's name was Daniel Whitmann or Whittman. I found him on AOL and IM'd him because his profile mentioned breeding snakes and started talking to him. He told me he had an adult female 100% het albino female, produced by Bob Clark, he wanted to get rid of because he wasn't into balls at all and one of his friends had given it to him. I was looking for a het female for my documented male from Cyress Creek Reptiles. He was more than willing to trade her to me for a baby male Dumeril's boa. So of course I did it. He delayed on sending the paperwork. His AOL screen name was Reticulated26. A few days after the deal was complete, he disappeared and I haven't seen him since. That was back in late September. But he had absolutely no reason to lie so I about 90% believed him. I figured if his friend just gave it to him, maybe it was just one of those casual things and the paperwork wasn't even important to him. He just led me on cause it was to me. But afterall, paperwork is really just a piece of paper. Doesn't mean all that much. Well, she didn't prove out. I'm really not surprised. At least I proved her one way or the other and no matter what, she's an awesome female that already produced for me. I have no reason to complain. Just would have been a huge bonus to see an albino. But I still got a great deal. Here's the female. I can see at least one of the babies inherited her pattern. Awesome Black Back. I hope the baby ends up being a female too.

Awesome female Black back, I still think you got the best end of they deal. You should get some babies that look like her. If you do take a male and breed it back to her. Kool looking female anyway, that would make some kool white back albino's. Thanks David
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
4.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's
11 baby 2005 PASTELS just HATCHED...4-8-05

Hey Ryan,

Disappointed, well you should not sweat it. In the worth of Ball pythons females are worth their weight in gold! She's a proven breeder the skies the limit! Take care.

Best Wishes,

Tony Pappalardo

Living Art Reptiles

Awesome. Ive got a female that' well over 3500 grams...a proven breeder good for about 10 eggs per year. That's approximately 123 ounces. Gold goes for something like 360/ounce. That makes my big girl worth $44,280...

hmm.....I tell you what. I'll give her to you half price. Send me a check for 22 grand and I'll ship her out today...

LOL.

Anyway, as far as the original post goes, I agree with the rest. Don't give up on her yet. You could have easily just missed on the odds...Next year she might throw 5 or 6 albinos. Hang in there!

Hi JP,

Hows it going? Females are very valuable, even regular female ball pythons. Preferably captive Born and bred adults. Ok worth their weight in gold is just an exspession.LOL! But I will pass on the purchase on your girl. LOL!!! I will wait for someone who does not know their value. Take care.

Best Wishes,

Tony Pappalardo
Living Art Reptiles

Is this the first time she produced for you?
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She may still be a het. You had a 1 in 4 chance of getting an albino out of each hatchling. Statistically, you should have produced 1.5 albinos (but half an albino would look odd), but you had a reasonable chance of getting all normal looking snakes.

To average out the probabilities, think of having a bucket with a thousand marbles. 250 are albino colored and 750 are some other color. Mix em up, close your eyes and make a blind grab for 6.

You win some, you lose some. Even if she isn't a het, she is still a pretty reduced pattern girl.

Yep, you could just have been the unlucky 18% of the time you wouldn't get at least one albino out of 6 from het X het. Maybe loan her out to an albino male next year before giving up.

These may have been or could have been your albinos.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

It was developed enough to tell that it wasn't an albino. So, really I had 7. I recently read that with 7, the odds are about perfect to know whether or not you have a het? Anyone got the statistics to prove or disprove that? Math isn't my best subject. And to answer someone else's question, yes this the first time I bred her. I really shouldn't have said disappointed cause I'm not at all. Just would have been amazing to get such a good deal on her and her really prove out as a het. Bob Clark 100% het albino adult female that produced albinos for me 8 months after getting her in trade for a $150 snake I had no use for...we can dream, can't we. I was really looking forward to those white backs, oh well. Here's a pic of the dead baby from the clutch.

That would be nice. Likely, she's not het - especially after you gave details about how you got her. But still try at least one more time. I have a female I have been trying to prove for 3 years. She has not laid a single egg. I'll see if anything happens this year.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

The formula for the chance of getting at least one of what you want is 1 - the chance of the entire clutch failing to produce what you want.

In this case, het X het gives a 25% chance for each egg to have an albino. So the odds of an individual egg missing are 75%. The odds of all 7 missing is 0.75^7 (in Scientific view the Windows Calculator has an X^Y key that can calculate this by entering ".75 X^Y 7 =". So, the odds of not getting any albinos from 7 eggs from het X het are 0.75^7 = .13 = 13%. Sure you had an 87% chance of getting one or more albino if both of these where hets but the 13% chance of them missing on a 7 egg clutch even if they are both hets isn't that far out there. Some one just hit on a 1 in 1024 chance of producing 5 female pastels from a 5 egg clutch of pastel X normal so your approximately 1 in 7.5 chance of missing on albino isn't that long of a shot in comparison although of course disappointing.

Of course she might well not be a het. I've seen plenty of people who just didn't understand possible hets so turned them into hets.