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I wanna kinda copy a thread started over at the kingsnake forum. What kind of Mexicana kingsnakes do you have in your collection? I am counting alterna, ruthveni, greeri, thayeri and Mexmex (I am old school). Let's see some numbers of each....

9.12 Thayeri (1.2 from Mtkings.com coming to add to colony)
4.5 Mex mex (adding speckled mexmex this year)
.1 Greeri (Looking for male)
1.1 possible Greeri crosses (light phase)
1.1 Ruthveni (1.1 double het for amel striped ruthveni coming this year)
3.3 Alterna (Always looking for more)
.1 Mexmex X Thayeri cross (looking for mate)

Please share your Mexicana collections.....
John Lassiter

I only have a few...all thayeri so far!
4.5
Jim

I gotta say, I really like your taste in kingsnakes. It just doesn't get any better! Your 4.5 thayeri are all you need. You can easily see by my count what my favorites are.

Wel thanks. But i still am looking for some more variants, like a melanistic, a very white leonis, and one like chris just pulled out of the LAVA.....lol OH yeah, i'm sure there will be more also after looking your numbers...lol
Jim

...you almost can't have too many thayer's around. They are just so darn interestingly variable. If you have a nice group of some of the different variants, they are never boring and the interest is always there. The terrible thing about it is... each time you add a different variant, the more impressive they are as a group and the more you want to add to the collection. It can be a terribly dangerous addiction!

Seriously though...

Getting serious about breeding thayeri as we are, which is something I have wanted to do for a number of years now, and considering it is getting later in life for me, I needed to build my breeding colony now and get them raised up. I put this group of thayer's together over the past 2 years. Adding one or two each year, producing a few babies, waiting for them to mature and continuing on from there, would have taken way too long for me to get to where I want to be. While the thayeri grow and mature, I am practicing and refining my breeding skills with the greeri, alterna and the one thayeri pair which includes the melanistic female.

Thayeri and alterna are by far my favorites out of the whole mess and my breeding interests will remain with them I'm sure. My interest in the greeri and mex mex is becoming somewhat casual now that the thayeri are all coming together. I can't see myself expanding on those and I wouldn't be surprised if I eventually see all but a pair of each of them leaving here.

.....with a couple thayeri pair sold recently:

16.19 l.m.thayeri
3.3 l.m.greeri
3.1 l.m.mexicana
2.3 l.alterna

37 eggs a cookin' with 2 more clutches arriving soon.
(greeri, thayeri, and alterna)

my collection:

KINGS
5.7 thayeri
1.1 mex mex
0.1 greyband
1.0 albino ruthvens
1.1 albino nelsons
1.1 reverse stripe cal kings
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PITS
1.1 het applegate gophers
1.1 applegate gophers
3.3 sonoran gopher (hybino, ghost, hypo, triple hets for blizzard)
1.2 snow bulls
1.1 hypo stillwater bulls
0.1 T+ san diego gopher
0.1 great basin gopher
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RATS
1.1 Trans Pecos (0.1 blonde het silver and 1.0 silver het blonde)

CORNS
1.1 bloodred corns
1.1 granite (bloodred and anery A)
3.1 lavender corns het hypo
1.1 hypo corn
1.2 het for lavender motley
2.1 het for lavendersicle (cream X lavender)
2.2 bloodred het lavender
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Sorry I haven't been around much lately guys, but here's my list

4.10 Thayeri
1.1 Alterna
0.1 Sinaloan
1.0 Pyro (looking for grown female mate)
1.4 Cal kings (trying to sell 0.2 gravid females)

Here's a new pic of one that I haven't posted before. She's a 2003 female that I'll breed for the first time next year. Definately my favorite leonis. I call her Butterscotch.

Okay then...I gotta add to my list of snakes that are other than Mexicana Kings.
1.2 Lavender Brooksi
1.1 Axanthic Brooksi
3.1 Hypo Brooksi
1.1 Splendida (Aransas Co., TX)
3.8 Calkings (albinos, hypos and blondes)
3.1 Hondurans
1.0 Mexican milk (Jim Wells Co., TX)
1.1 Albino Patternless Southern Pines
2.3 Southern Plains Ratsnakes (Nueces Co., TX)
2.1 Texas Ratsnakes (all w/c locales)
1.1 Emoryi Ratsnakes
I think that is it....
John Lassiter
And here is a pic for you Russ.....

Hello everyone, I keep:
9.11 thayeri
3.4 knoblichi kings
1.1 mexican black kings
1.1 mex mex (please give all the credit for this one to J.Lassiter)
2.0 cal kings {1 albino}
1.3 western hognose
0.3 hondo. milks {1 tangerine}
1.1 apricot. pub. milks
1.1 suriname boa's
2.2 het for albino col. boa's
1.3 pastel col. boa's
1.3 dumerils boa's
7 corn snakes (have never sexed them)
I hope I got them all.....
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Michelle

Hi

Like most of us. I work with more than one sp. Here's my current list.

1.1 Arizona Mt Kings
3.3 Tarahumaran Mt Kings
3.3 Variable Kings
1.1 Black Milks
4.7 Honduran Milks (various morphs)
3.5 Bullsnakes (various morphs)
1.2 Cape Gophers
1.1 Northern Mex Gophers (jani)
1.1 Cope's Gophers (lineaticollis)

planning to add:
Womas
More Lineaticollis
More Bullsnakes
. . . and ofcourse some holdbacks

Take care guys.

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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Jonel....THAT IS AN AWESOME THAYERI !!!!!!
Is that one of your holdbacks?

Looks sorta like some of Chris Baubel's Thayeri.

Great Snake and thanks for sharing the pic....
John Lassiter

Here is my 2004 holdback.....

Hi John

Thanks. I'm good friends with Chris B. and I made and have been maintaining his site(Artistic Investments). I was looking for a nice future back-up male and called him since I've seen and photograph a lot of his stuff over the years for his site and know that he produces some nice thayeri. I have seen the little green ones for a period of years now so I called him about it and I got this nice male from him last year. Believe it or not, the male's siblings were orange so he really stood out. I hope he stays that way to adulthood but I also love his busy alterna-like pattern so it was an easy choice. Thanks for the compliment.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Coincidentally...... I almost got some of those orange ones you were talking about from Chris Baubel.
I really like the reduced, broken patterns.
I think I may go ahead and get one or two from him this year if he has anymore like that.....
Thanks for sharing Jonel
John Lassiter

Here is a female that will hopefully produce for me next year (VR strain)....

My collection has been reduced some, here's what I currently have now;
1.0 mex mex
1.0 thayeri
1.0 Jalisco milksnake
1.1 Calkings (female abberrent and male desert banded)
0.2 Corns (Okeetee Abbott line and Creamsicle)
0.1 Jungle Corn (3/4 spendida, 1/4 corn)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa

I'm looking to expand into more mexicanas over the next couple of years.

And mine
4.5 thayeri
1.1 blue eyed blonds
1.1 applegate splotched sinaloans
1.1 ball pythons
and 1 old gopher snake
Jim

Just realized the pic never showed up.....OOPS
John Lassiter

Hi John

Cool. Looks similar to my female that I posted earlier. Just with fewer smaller saddles. Nice!
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Jonel,

I know that thayeri are just that variable. But I don't think I've ever seen a thayeri that color green, or with that "spots and stripes" pattern. That is one kewl looking thayeri.

Hi vichris

Thanks. I really like him since he gives me some "variability" to my thayeri collection. Btw, here's one of the orange siblings that I was talking about. See the pattern resemblance? Take care.

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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Hey I know "someone" who has one that looks EXACTLY like that one. LOL They are both excellent representatives of the leonis morph. I still think that green one with the "spots and stripes" is incredible.

CG

"Hey I know "someone" who has one that looks EXACTLY like that one. LOL"

Is that a [bleep]-eating grin or just a "I'm the bastard" grin I detect there, Mike. LOL
Hey e-mail me I set up a "study" tank last night. I have 4 girls that seem to be co-existencing quite well.

lol!!! ...a little of both ...and a bit of madness there at the end to round it all off! lol!

e-mail comin' down the pipe there buddy!

Man Jonel....That was one of the exact ones I was contemplating purchasing....Nice Thayeri.
When will your green one be breeding? Next year perhaps?
John Lassiter

Hi John

You should have bro! Well, the male is an '04 so for him to breed in '06 would be really nice. But I would say, maybe in '07 for sure. Although, he's been a very good feeder even since before I bought him so we'll see if he can make it. He's currently feeding on rat pinks right now. Take care.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

add

0.1 Snow Cornsnake

I can't believe I forgot all about her but she is the matriarch of my collection. She is my first ever snake and bought her in ’94 in a local pet shop as a yearling. I was still in HS back then. She has given me a good start and breeding foundation by giving me tons of babies in years past. I’m not breeding anymore and she’s the only cornsnake in my collection now. She's 12 years old now, living, and retired comfortably in my collection.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Okay, I'll bite.

3.3 Thayeri (2.0 need to go but it's hard, very hard)
8.10 Rosies assorted localities and some albinos
1.1 Western Hognose
3.4 Kenyan SB assorted colors
1.1 Tangerine Honduran's het albino
3.3 Stripe/splotched Sinaloans and/or hets
some Patternless Albino Nelsoni/and hets/and 2/3 hets
(Hopefully there will be more this year)
4.6 Bearded Dragons (red-orange)

Don't let my wife know how many snakes there are, she hasn't counted (lol).