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feeding & handling pls help thnx

mauwdee May 23, 2005 01:32 AM

Hello everyone. I have a 6 month old snow corn snake I went with this choice because most ppl say they're very easy to handle and are easy for beginners to the hobby. I’ve had my snake for about two weeks now and it is feeding okay one pinkie every week is what I was told (making sure it’s not to skinny/not rounded). My only question on feeding is do I have to worry about feeding it somewhere else besides its cage. I heard that it is best to feed the snake somewhere else because sometimes ppl will get bitten because the snake will associate the cage being open to feeding. Should I worry about this now or later when the snake is bigger????? As for handling It I’ve tried to pick it up but the little sucker just takes off and goes to his hiding spot I remove the hiding spot but then hell just move around all over the cage. Is this normal for young corn snakes????? How should I handle it???? The way I try to handle it is by moving very slowly make sure the snake knows I’m there and I try to pick it up. Am I doing anything wrong????

I would really appreciate feedback THNX

Replies (8)

reptileking90 May 23, 2005 05:59 AM

I feed my corns out of the cage in a deli cup I do this because while they are in the deli cup I will clean up their cage and give them some new water. I hold my flighty snakes by the tail.

Hope this Helped

Derek

duffy May 23, 2005 06:23 AM

Either way is OK as long as you take some kind of steps to make sure that your snake does not get a mouthful of aspen or other substrate with the meal.

Wait 2-3 days after the meal before handling. Just reach right in and pick the snake up. I go for the "middle" of the snake...seems to me that when I pick it up that way its weight is more evenly distributed right away. It is perfectly normal for a young corn to hide most of the time...It should have places to hide always to feel secure. Also normal for it to be jumpy at first. With regular gentle handling your snake will learn to be very calm when you pick it up. Duffy

wombat May 23, 2005 09:54 AM

Sounds like a normal healthy young snake-

Most snakes don't ever really "like" being handled- especially grabbed from above, the flight response is very strong. None of mine crawl towards my hand when I stick it in the cage, some hold still and don't flee but none "ask" to be picked up. Your snake will probably calm down somewhat about being picked up over time.

If you can get them in hand quickly and firmly I think it's better since they aren't so agitated and scared by the time you are holding them- this is hard to accomplish with wiggly youngsters in heavily furnished tanks! But often the fright of the chase will generate a musking that could have been avoided- stinks up the cage and requires extra cleaning even if it happens before the handler successfully gets the snake in hand.

One trick- wait until they are settled under a hide- lift up the hide and you will probably find a loosely coiled, surprised-out- of-sound-sleep snake just sitting there, it is easy to grab a couple of loops and pick it up without a bunch of chasing...

That's how I take up my nippy Blue Beauties- they are out of the cage and looking around the room with interest before they have a chance to get upset about being grabbed.

Feeding-
!any successful feeding is good feeding!
...maybe better for a young snake to get chow a little more than once a week, you should be able to tell when it is hungry as it will come out and cruise the cage in the evenings...

I like feeding in a separate enclosure for many reasons- if you put the prey in before the snake they don't associate movement with food (although most corn snakes are much slower to nip at a hand by mistake than others), they get trained to know that it is feeding time and are more receptive, no ingested substrate, if you have multiple snakes in a cage it is a must-do, in general the enclosed empty space will help the snake find and be interested in the prey object, you can keep precise track of the snake's behavior towards food, and you get to examine each one's health status as you transfer them.

On the other hand, once you pass a dozen snakes, it becomes much more of a chore to assemble the appropriate size containers for various size snakes, and to get the right size mouse/rat/goat into each tub with the right snake. Murphy's law states the first snake in the container that's the only one that's the right size for three other snakes, will take 45 minutes to eat...

Choosing containers is important- I like deli cups that have opaque sides and clear tops for hatchlings, gives them a sense of privacy. Older ones graduate up to tupperware then small tubs- lids must be easy to put on and off, to not startle the snake and be able to reach in a wiggle a f/t mouse when the diner is reluctant, yet those tops need to be secure enough that you are confident they will hold if you decide to walk off for a few minutes to give the diner some privacy.

Just tossing the mouse in the cage is definitely easier- but it's the extra level of care that sometimes makes a lot of difference in the snake's health...

Good luck!

raisnok May 23, 2005 12:53 PM

i agree when i got my snake he was a bit jumpy but i picked him mid ways like you said and handled him for a while each day, except after feeding of course.
now he seems completely at ease with me

Centrewood May 23, 2005 10:21 AM

you had a few qeustions here - let's see if we can get all of them....

#1.)I heard that it is best to feed the snake somewhere else because sometimes ppl will get bitten because the snake will associate the cage being open to feeding. Should I worry about this now or later when the snake is bigger?????

For a 6 mo hatchling, it is suggested to feed them in a deli cup so that a.) they don’t ingest any cage substrate and 2.) the hatchling can easily find the prey. To combat the snake assimilating opening the cage equals food (and becoming snippy), get into the routine of handing it between feedings. That way the snake won’t know if it is feeding time….

I simply place the prey in the cup, put the snake in the cup and place the cup back in the cage with the lid secured. It takes a bit of technique to get the snake in and the lid on before the snake gets out…..but you’ll get the hang of it…

#2.) As for handling It I’ve tried to pick it up but the little sucker just takes off and goes to his hiding spot I remove the hiding spot but then hell just move around all over the cage. Is this normal for young corn snakes????? How should I handle it????

The snake is acting normally. It is fear/flight response that they instinctively have. Handling it will get it to calm down a bit and the handling will keep it from assimilating opening the cage for feeding.

3.) The way I try to handle it is by moving very slowly make sure the snake knows I’m there and I try to pick it up. Am I doing anything wrong????

This is a personal preference type of thing so there is not a black and white, right and wrong but a few things to consider.. If you move slowly and it keeps moving away and you keep pursuing it, you are going to stress it. Stressing it will make it/keep it snippy – long term it may never calm down. The stress level won’t adversely affect its health unless it is long term. My suggestion - try to get it quickly but gently and catching it about 1/4 to 1/3 its body lenght from its head. If you grab it and it pulls its head back, you are too close to its head. If you grab its tail and it squirms, the stress will go up quickly.
To grab it quickly and at its front third, will not induce a higher stress level and the hatchling will turn submissive quicker. After a while, both you and it will be comfortable with being handled and it will be a better experience for both of you.. It may be started the first few time you get it, but that will get better with repitiation.

Good luck..
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mauwdee May 23, 2005 11:05 AM

thnx for the help

mauwdee May 26, 2005 02:51 PM

Hey I recently fed my snake in a deli cup so i could clean out his cage. After putting him back in his cage I noticed a powdery yellow/white looking thing at the bottom of the deli cup is this from my snake releasing musk????

CornSnakeBabe May 25, 2005 01:41 PM

like you, i chose corns for the same reason. i got mine a yr ago.
at first i fed her in a kritter keeper, but then it got annoying so i fed her in her cage, which i do presently.

she is fine & has never bitten me, but thats her personality.

see how snappy your new snake is, and feel it out before committing to feeding in its cage or in a different area,
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and Monaco the Argentine B&W Tegu
and Meanie the Black Throat Monitor

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