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Nature Conservancy to Purchase Val Verde Land >>

chris_mcmartin Jul 12, 2003 09:10 PM

Saw that in yesterday's paper (San Antonio Express-News). Can remember the exact acreage, but it was a lot. Mostly around Hwy 163 along the Devil's River.

The article implied that the Nature Conservancy was buying the land in the hopes of preventing it from being turned into small "ranchettes," and was planning on reselling it with restrictions (i.e. to preserve the habitat but supposedly to still allow some sustainable-use-type activity).
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jpenney Jul 13, 2003 12:29 AM

It was 137 square miles! Hopefully they dont get their rakes on Bakers Crossing. I put in there every year for a 3 day canoe trip down the devils river. The NC has a history of buying up land and preventing ANY type of use. They said in the article that they planed to sell it back to people that allowed hunting, fishing, etc..but they already own land near Dolan Falls and don't allow anything. I think that speaks for itself...JP
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

mchambers Jul 13, 2003 11:12 AM

There seems to be another time that this Org. or another such situation was planning to buy land. After old Ray Ducan ( remember him folks ) left the Lajitas area I accidently ran into him 5-6 years later in Del Rio and he told me that he was down on Juno area with a meeting of whoever and whomever that was planning on buying land off of the devils river plus other areas. He told me it was buying to sell back. And it did include certain places like both sides of Bakers crossing. BUT that was some years ago.........

Chambo

jpenney Jul 13, 2003 11:00 PM

That would make me ill if I were never able to canoe the Devils again. If Bakers Crossing is purchased, that will pretty much end public access for the whole river. The beauty of that river cannot be explained, you just have to float it to understand. On any given day we catch 100 fish each (catch and release). When you float over 20 ft. deep holes and look under your canoe, you are greeted by 100's of guadalupe bass, largemouth, small mouth, carp, gar, texas cichlids, and zillions of catfish. It looks like a giant aquarium. The water is tap water clear.
When you float down through some of the canyons, ice cold water pours out of the walls. It's the best drinking water anywhere if you ask me. I usually carry extra 3 ltr. empty bottles and fill them there to take home. There are pictographs of the indians that used to live there and I would assume an alterna eden.
Every time we go out however, we are reminded not to get out on the ranchers property. Although it seems kind of an#l to worry about some one stepping on 1 foot of your property; one only has to travel to the Nueces River overpass 10 miles South of Uvalde, Texas on Hwy 83 to understand why. People are real dip$hits. That beautiful river looks like a dang trash dump with dirty Diapers, broken beer bottles, beer cans and any other trash you can think of strewn about the river banks and in the river itself. If they end public access it would be a real loss but in a way given people's tendancy towards "dumba$$ness" it would be understandable..J
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

chrish Jul 14, 2003 01:16 PM

just because water comes out of an untainted appearing spring, waterful, whatever, doesn't mean it is safe to drink. There are all sorts of nasty protozoan and bacterial parasites you can get from drinking "clean" water such as this.

It doesn't take humans to foul water. What if your pristene stream happens to run through a cave somewhere that is occupied by tens of thousands of bats? That's a lot of fecal coliforms to ingest! And no, you probably wouldn't taste them.

Your tap water may taste like hell, but at least someone is checking it for Giardia and coliform bacteria. I doubt that is true of these springs you are drinking from.
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Chris Harrison

jpenney Jul 14, 2003 03:54 PM

Your point is well taken, however, having partaken of the spring's offerings for the last 8 years, I can proclaim them safe (so far). The first year we went, a couple of the guys with me needed to replentish their water supply and took a chance on the springs. They had no ill effects. The next year we went one of the 12 guys in our group even took a sample to a friend in East Texas at the TRA. The water was found to be a little high in mineral content but very safe to drink. Call me reckless, but I have drank from springs in Florida, Arkansas, Northern California and a few places in Texas. My only bad experience so far has been from Big Bend National Park (Window Hike). I got a intereting little bug there that lasted about 2 days. It was fun while it lasted but I'd rather not do it again. I now use a portable pump filter that makes me feel a little safer. Makes you wonder about all those thousands of years that the Indians drank from those same springs without the "Pink Stuff"...Lots of grunting indians, I'm sure. On a side note, I was a biology major at Sul Ross for my first three years until I had the sudden job market realization. So I realize the potential for a fluke pathogenic parasites (such as dangerous amoebas, etc.) at a supposedly clean water source. The water just tastes good and all the people that I know that canoe the Devils, drink from there....Would I reccomend it to others? I don't reccomend anything. I just bet chris if you go take the same canoe trip and you come to those springs, you won't be able to resist..."Go ahead all the cool people are doing it"..First one's free...Thats just my .02....J
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

chad ks Jul 14, 2003 02:21 PM

And I think he may be giving it up, he will get some kinda benefit I guess. Thats okay, We still have a few hundred acres around Dove Mountain, Val Verde County, around Black Gap...chad

happycamper Jul 14, 2003 02:37 PM

The Nature Conservancy is a very responsible organization. One of a few I donate to every year. I doubt they would cut off access to the Devils. I would feel more secure knowing land was owned by them then private landowners. People from the Conservancy would never shoot someone for "accidentally" tresspassing. I head of someone getting shot at a few years ago while walking ashore from his canoe to take a leak (or was it a dump?) Anyways, good news for alterna populations down the road...

chrish Jul 16, 2003 01:42 AM

In TX we have two choices. The land can be privately owned which allows the land owner to do whatever the hell they want with it/on it.

At least the Nature Conservancy won't strip mine, overgraze, develop it and destroy the area the way a private owner might.

Snake hunters don't have access now, and they won't have access later either, but at least the land will be relatively well cared for.
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Chris Harrison

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