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Hey Ball Friends, Just thought I would post something good and bad.

First, here is a picture of a Pastel HET VPI Axanthic. I bred a SUPER PASTEL male to a VPI Axanthic female and got 8 eggs. Of coures because of the SUPER being the Dad, ALL the babies came out Pastel het Axanthic. IF I would have used a Pastel male, I could have had 4 Pastels, 3, 2, or even 1 or NONE.

Here is my next Point. I have been waiting 5 years to produce my clown. I bought a Clown Male and a Het female. This year FINALLY my female HEt drops 7 eggs. As both clutches are Hatching, I get to see 8 KILLER Pastels het Axanthic. On the FLIP side, I look over to my coveted Clown project, and I get 1 clown out of 7 eggs. HORRIBLE ODDS!!!!! You win some you loose some.

That is the NICE thing about SUPERS!!!! You really don't have those odds that can nip you in the Butt. I sometimes feel like I'm always on the negative side of the odds, but then I get 1 good litter where it really takes care of me.

OHHH the ins and outs of the Snake Business. Just goes to show becauase someone has 16 Spider eggs, or 18 PIN eggs, they may not get 8 spiders or 9 Pins. They could end up with 2 or 3. Of course the UPSIDE is you could end up with the opposite and hit the JACKPOT. That is why SUPERS are going to be SOOO Valuable. It will take out all those odds of getting those DANG Normals that can be depressing when the odds don't come out on your favor.

Long Story Short. People get CONSUMED with the MARKET CRASHING becasue of all the EGGS out there. Well, it all evens itself out in the end. WITH the BIG HITS come the BIG losses. Incubators Burning up, heat problems, etc.... This isn't as easy as we all would like to think. Of course in My opinion Balls are a TON easier then the Boas, but even the Balls have the ups and downs.

I hope everyone has a Great Season, and Best of Luck.

Here is another link to another picture of one of the Pastels het axanthic. I thought they all came out AWESOME looking.

http://www.kingsnake.com/stone/04Clown/pastelhetaxanthic.JPG

Jeremy Stone

Awesome snake Jeremy, but didn't I give you a 100 word limit on posting.LOL

COME ON Nialator, you know how good ole UTAH boy loves to chat. I just have to ramble. No wonder my Web site Still isn't done after 5 years of that old piece of crap. It is going to take people 3 years to read it due to my rambling. LOL.....

I do promise when it is done, it WILL be good!!!!!!

Hey, Better go check on Spot Boy. If I were you, I'd start taking deposits!!!!! You're right. NEVER DOUBT THE NIALATOR!!!!! He really is breeding. Unless that is a serously doctored photo!!! LOL

Good luck,

Jeremy

(Hey, that's almost 100 words) I did IT!!!!!!!!

NICE MAN

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Greg Holland
GM HERPS
www.gmherps.com
gmherps@sbcglobal.net

That's one good looking snake Jeremy!
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

you wouldn't be refering to my incubator would you?

Actually Morton, I was reffering to a FEW. INCLUDING MINE!!! How are you buddy? Long time no chat. Give me a call, and I'm sure we could share sobbing stories for the year on the Incubator issue. Good thing for me I only lost 54 eggs, and Most of those weren't HUGE players. YES, I COOKED MORE!!!!!!! I have NOW purchased the MUCH coveted and no longer sold Incubator Caller by Helix where if my incubator now moves 2 degrees I get a Phone call. It took 3 months to get my order done from them, and I offered them more money to make it because he no longers likes to make them due to time and non Profit.

Take Care Morton, Hope you are doing well.

Jeremy Stone

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don't know what you think..........but it looks like they already have reduced yellows do to the axanthic in them.........

(just like my het ghosts are lighter than normal balls......)...

nice critter........
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wow.....did you think of that all by yourself?.....
better take a break ................

A while back someone else posted pastel het axanthics that looked the same (low yellow – especially for a pastel). So do just plain het axanthics (not also pastel) from this line tend to look low yellow or does it only come out with the combo with pastel? Now I'm wishing my possible double het snow had less yellow.

Some of my 50% chance het ghost girls are really nice looking and I've even seen and heard about a couple cases of het ghosts shedding clear.

Confusing stuff. Is it being het for these supposed "recessive" genes that is causing this or something else? In both cases (especially the ghost but even the axanthic) it's possible that what we are seeing in the hets could be caused by other genes that have been bred into the lines over the years. Over the years ghost breeders probably selected some really nice bright ghost like "normals" to breed into their projects and likewise axanthic breeders may have selected some really nice low yellow "normals". Some of these where probably genetic even if not stunning enough to become there own morph line. Maybe some of these genes could even be dominant types and be responsible for the low yellow axanthic hets and low black ghost hets seen from time to time.

Then again, given the sporadic nature of the het pied marker, maybe there aren't many 100% recessive genes and it really is the ghost and axanthic gene showing through some times.

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