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Reptoman May 29, 2005 09:27 AM

THis little Platyrhinos will eat 1/4" crickets and mini King mealworms as well, but not as a normal offering, you should always include ants from lifewest or some other ant vendor. Fireside sent you to Phrynosoma.com which has all the lighting and cage requirements. The males of this specie have two lage scales right under the vent at the base of the tail, the females do not. So you might check and see if this is two boys or a pair. I'm glad you have experience with other lizards, just be sure to keep one side of that cage with a basking spot around 105 degrees and the cool side of the cage about 85 degrees. Often with horned lizards I have found home depot palysand is cheap, comes in a 50 lb bag and change out the sand every 3 to 6 months, keep the cage clean when they go potty. You should have them in a 20 gallon long aquarium at a minimum. For my two Sloar I have them in a 40 gal agauarium which makes an ideal size for a pair. You may want to get a spray bottle and occassionally spray the plants of rocks when they are warm and see if they lap up some of the drops, I also sometimes spray the side of the glass and they will lap the water off the glass. These lizards don't get a lot of water in their natural habitat, but occassional spraying is proabably a good thing. I think Fireside gave you very good advice as he alwasy does, but thought I would chime in and add a few things. LIke Fireside I am just concerned that you have a good set-up. Would you consider taking a picture of your set-up so one of us can look at it make any comments postivie or negative. Anywya good luck and cheers. let us know if you need any other help, there are no egos over here, just concern for the anumals and their conservation.......Cheers!! DId you say that you have a flourescent UVB bulb> YOu should use 7.0 or greater with desert lizards. ESU makes a good desert one as well as others. Many of us are using a mercury vapor bulb instead of a flourescent but just so they get the needed UVB lighting so they don't get bone disaese over long time lack of exposure to UVB/IVA. Cheers!!!!
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ElizzzaBear May 30, 2005 09:43 AM

Well, I guess Desert Horned Lizard Laws would be more appropriate now, lol I'm not totally sure what substrate they're using right now, it's what I got from the guy I adopted from, but I will def switch to playsand ASAP just in case, it's what I use with the rest of my lizards (kind of looks like the walnuts, I've never used them before with any of my lizards, so I wouldn't have known, i stick to sand) I will def take pictures of the setup, but gimme a couple of days, I'm in the middle of working 9 days straight plus summerschool and taking care of the zoo (plus my camera ran out of batteries, real reason, hahaha) but i'll get those to y'all. I do already mist them, about every other day and their rocks like, every day, I guess I have been doing that too much, I will keep that in mind, thanks, i'll make another post later, i'm late for work, eek

Crotaphytuskidd May 30, 2005 05:53 PM

Hello there!

To my knowledge, the only laws about Desert Horned Lizards are applicible only in their native states. Correct me if I'm wrong guys. You oughta check your local Fish and Wildlife service rules out. Some states are very anti-exotic it seems. So look those up, and good luck with your pals. We're always here if you need anything else too.

regards,
-Phil

ElizzzaBear May 30, 2005 06:42 PM

Thank you sugar! To be honest, I was very nervous about posting here, but it has been very, very helpful. I'm going to assume that they are not prohibited in NC because they were being sold at the reptile and exotic animal show in Raleigh at the State Fair Grounds, I really hope they wouldn't be selling illegal animals there, so I'm going to assume they are not illegal. Here is a picture (habitat pictures in the future), just so y'all know that they're boys (if I am correct) they both look exactly like this:

reptoman May 30, 2005 08:09 PM

Correct--I see this as a male, the two post anal scales are apparent as well as the hemi-penal bulge that would opnly be present in a male! Cheers!!!
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Les4toads May 31, 2005 01:47 PM

Desert Horned Lizards are legal in the pet trade. They come from Nevada, one of only two states where the commercial collection of horned lizards is legal. Texas allows commercial collection of the Roundtail Horned Lizards. The states that do not allow sale of the DHL are California and Arizona, because they are natives.

This male DHL looks rather sickly. The muscles in the legs are very thin in appearance. Needs to get a lot of muscle bulk built up. The tail also shows a problem with the lack of fat stores.

Lester G. Milroy III
Conservation Biologist

reptoman May 31, 2005 06:04 PM

Thanks Lester!
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