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OK, I figured why not ask the board. I know people at times will say A JUNGLE IS A JUNGLE, and THERE IS NO MISTAKEING A JUNGLE WHEN THE LITTERS A GROUP. I agree 90% of the time, but I would bet there are exeptions to this statement.

Im NOT claiming theese animals to be anything. They are from the sweedish line of jungles.

This one is pretty obvious, both jungles of course

How many jungles does everyone see (remeber abberincies does not a jungle make)

Colors good, has the odd sides, but does not have any major abberincies or the needle eye on the head.

SAME SNAKE AS ABOVE, NOTICE THE SIDES (SORRY POOR PIC)

No major abberincies, good color, normal sides, no eye hole

Definately has the head pattern, but not the color on the sides, clean tail however

SAME SNAKE AS ABOVE. Notice the circles in the saddles, but missed the color.

Has great color, a bit of connection in some saddles, nice yellow around tail, almost has head marking.

Almost has the head marking, has a bit of stripe to the tail, and nice colors. Also has odd markings around eye area.

So ok Jeremy, Gray, the rest of you with experience what do you think. I have a number of others that are pretty much obviously commons, and a few others that I would say have characteristics. Im not trying to make anything something its not, just trying to figure out what to best do with them...LOL.
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Mickey Hinkle

"I am the lizard king, I can do anything"....Jim Morrison

If you can check the pics Id love opinions

Pics of Marks Jungle Litter

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Mickey Hinkle

"I am the lizard king, I can do anything"....Jim Morrison

love the barb wire pattern on the darker one should loke dope when it gets bigger

....I followed the links to the photos but I'm not sure which photos to connect with which comment. It is obvious which ones you have questions about but it is nearly impossible to judge without being able to inspect the animal. My instinct is to reach into the computer, grab the animal, and turn it to the angle that I am interested in. I would bet that the light and colorful one is Jungle but the dark and speckly ones are not but I think my opinion is nearly worthless in this case.
gray

I couldnt, wouldnt expect for you to give a yes no answer, especially via photo on something like this. I just wanted to get some outside eyes on the snakes so to speak. Im sure I will get hundreds and hundreds of shots over the next few weeks/months while I decide what to do with them. There could be one in the mix, there could very easily be NONE. Gotta love this trait, 90% maybe even 98% of the time they are easy to spot, but there definately IMO is a bit of a judgement call on them as well. Of course no one wants to make the wrong judgement...LOL.
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Mickey Hinkle

"I am the lizard king, I can do anything"....Jim Morrison

In my second litter, the female was bred by a Jungle half the time and a normal half the time (not my original plan at all!). The babies don't look like the normal male. They have some aberrancies that are typical of Jungles but not a one has any wild aberrancies. Also, there is not the color variation I would expect in a Jungle litter. I'm going to sell them as normals.

In your case, you might have to price them in between the definites and the definitely nots and let folks eyeball the photos and decide if they want to roll the dice.
gray

It appears that you are not the only one with this delema. Pete K. has a couple on his web site from last years litters that he is selling as "possible jungles" for about a third the price of a jungle. From his pictures you can see that they sorta look like they have some of the jungle traits but not enough to say that it is definitely a jungle. Somebody is either going to get a good deal on a lesser expressed jungle or they will have a nice looking normal on their hands...only raising them up and breeding them will tell.

Good luck,

Kathy