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westsidestory Jun 01, 2005 11:41 AM

1. From what I hear on this forum a GTP can live in a TUB until he is about 2 (24 months old)? How long (length) would he be at this time?

2. Is it okay to cage a (2 year old) in a Vision 222 cage without stressing it out? When is the best(ideal) age to graduate from a tub into a enclosure?

3. What is the feeding procedure? Say for ex, you have a GTP in a tub, when he is 1-10 months old, do you just throw in a pinkie/mice (alive)? And when he gets older feed him mice, by just throwing in a live one in the tub? Can someone PLEASE explain the feeding procedure in detail like when to start using tongs and when to use thawed mice rats etc etc in detail! thanks!

4. Do they let out a distint smell in general? Does the enclosure/tub start to stink? Do their poop smell?

5. IF a gtp is shipped to my door, how will it be parked and how will I transfer it to his/her enclosure?

6. Where can I get a temp/humity checker? I dont want to open the tub lid everytime i want to check it, does anyone know a cheap one i can get?

7. how often should i clean the tub/enclusre? obvisously when it poops i will change the paper towles, do the gtp's usually just chill on the perch while you grab the perch to take it out? or does it start to get all crazy?

8. My friend was bit by a GTP and he said it hurt like crazy. but from what i read in THE COMPLETE CHONDRO book, Mr. Maxwelll said it only feel slike a bunch of spikey pricks snagging you...what is the TRUTH the the myth!?

9. Are emeralds teeth longer than GTPs?

THANKS EVERYONE!

Replies (8)

shhawke Jun 01, 2005 12:03 PM

if you have read the complete chondro... dident you see most of these answers??? if not... here are a few in my own opinion...

>>1. From what I hear on this forum a GTP can live in a TUB until he is about 2 (24 months old)? How long (length) would he be at this time?

they can be kept in a tub for as long as you want and the tub is the proper size... and the length depends on the snake... they are all different... i could guess anywhere from 2'-3'...

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>>2. Is it okay to cage a (2 year old) in a Vision 222 cage without stressing it out? When is the best(ideal) age to graduate from a tub into a enclosure?

stress comes from the surroundings... if you make a nice cage with a per perches it shoudl be fine... some snakes just stress out easy... some are just laid back

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>>3. What is the feeding procedure? Say for ex, you have a GTP in a tub, when he is 1-10 months old, do you just throw in a pinkie/mice (alive)? And when he gets older feed him mice, by just throwing in a live one in the tub? Can someone PLEASE explain the feeding procedure in detail like when to start using tongs and when to use thawed mice rats etc etc in detail! thanks!

for a 2 year old u shoudl be using tongs... i feed pre-killed... i use a heavy spoon to thump them with and wait for them to stop kicking... (its hard to hold a mouse or rat if its flipping all over the place) then i hold the food by either the tail or the back of the kneck and move it along the perch, or just move it slowley in front of the snake.. some snakes are a pain and some are easy...

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>>4. Do they let out a distint smell in general? Does the enclosure/tub start to stink? Do their poop smell?

they dont really have a smell that is different then any other snake... and sometimes their poop will stink... i clean dirty cages ASAP...

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>>5. IF a gtp is shipped to my door, how will it be parked and how will I transfer it to his/her enclosure?

all shippers are different, but i would guess that it will be in a box and inside that box will be styrafoam insulating the box... they wadded up newspaper and the snake will probably be in a cotton bag.. much like a pillow case tied in a not and maybe with zipstrips... i have also recieved one in a tupperware item... and once i recieved one in the box no bag... just in the box with the wadded up paper...

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>>6. Where can I get a temp/humity checker? I dont want to open the tub lid everytime i want to check it, does anyone know a cheap one i can get?

their are several pleces that sell these... they advertise on here all the time

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>>7. how often should i clean the tub/enclusre? obvisously when it poops i will change the paper towles, do the gtp's usually just chill on the perch while you grab the perch to take it out? or does it start to get all crazy?

most are laid back... u shoudl wipe down and clean the entire cage about every other month...

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>>8. My friend was bit by a GTP and he said it hurt like crazy. but from what i read in THE COMPLETE CHONDRO book, Mr. Maxwelll said it only feel slike a bunch of spikey pricks snagging you...what is the TRUTH the the myth!?

it does not hurt bad... your friend must have made a mistake

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>>9. Are emeralds teeth longer than GTPs?

yes... a bit from an adult woudl hurt........ probably what your friend was bit by...

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>>THANKS EVERYONE!


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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

Morgana Jul 12, 2005 05:29 AM

sweet headshot you got there!

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1.0.0 BP
1.1.0 Chondro

benteam Jun 01, 2005 12:36 PM

1. From what I hear on this forum a GTP can live in a TUB until he is about 2 (24 months old)? How long (length) would he be at this time? -
Somewhere in the 3-4 foot range,maybe bigger maybe smaller but a) that can vary based on a million variables and b) it is hard to measure chondros, weight is a better criteria to go by.

2. Is it okay to cage a (2 year old) in a Vision 222 cage without stressing it out? When is the best(ideal) age to graduate from a tub into a enclosure?
Depends on the snake, it's size, comfort level with people, eating habits, etc. etc. Somewhere around 2-3 years old is probably when you should move them to a cage as opposed to a tub, but I keep many of my young adults in big tubs and they seem to love it.

3. What is the feeding procedure? Say for ex, you have a GTP in a tub, when he is 1-10 months old, do you just throw in a pinkie/mice (alive)? And when he gets older feed him mice, by just throwing in a live one in the tub? Can someone PLEASE explain the feeding procedure in detail like when to start using tongs and when to use thawed mice rats etc etc in detail! thanks!
I would recomend only buying a chondro that already feeds on frozen thawed rodents. It sounds like this is your first chondro, getting babies to start eating can be a nightmare. If you purchase one from a respected breeder, then it will most likely be already eating frozen thawed rodents from tongs. To feed with tongs just hold the rodent in the tongs, try to arrange it so that the rodent extends beyond the end of the tongs. Open the tub, present the rodent, BANG.

4. Do they let out a distint smell in general? Does the enclosure/tub start to stink? Do their poop smell?
Poop smells bad. Clean chondros and cages don't. Me and my dog are what make my place smell bad, not my snakes. LOL.

5. IF a gtp is shipped to my door, how will it be parked and how will I transfer it to his/her enclosure?
Probably in a deli cup or small plastic conatiner. Just be gentle and careful. DO NOT EVER try to pull or pry a chondro off their perch. Gently start their head going up your hand/ arm (or even better just onto another perch)and "tickle" them around the posterior portion of their body until they crawl up your arm or perch on their own.

6. Where can I get a temp/humity checker? I dont want to open the tub lid everytime i want to check it, does anyone know a cheap one i can get?
Temp and humidity gauges can be found at home depot, etc. Don't buy the silly little analog ones they sell at pet stores, they are worthless. Many digital ones have a probe that could be placed inside the container, and then the unit is left outside the container for easy viewing.

7. how often should i clean the tub/enclusre? obvisously when it poops i will change the paper towles, do the gtp's usually just chill on the perch while you grab the perch to take it out? or does it start to get all crazy?
I check cages every morning and clean any that need it, and once a week I go through and clean every cage, however, I have been called obsessive, neurotic, etc. Clean as neccesary, and break the whole thing down and disinfect periodically. Ask one hundred people how often you should do this and you will get 100 different answers. Use your judgement and the golden rule.
Mine hardly notice being moved during the day. Sometimes they just hide their head, other times it looks as thought I haven't even woke them up. At night however, you are taking your life in your hands trying to go in there (not really, but you get the idea).

8. My friend was bit by a GTP and he said it hurt like crazy. but from what i read in THE COMPLETE CHONDRO book, Mr. Maxwelll said it only feel slike a bunch of spikey pricks snagging you...what is the TRUTH the the myth!? While I haven't ever been nailed by a big one, a juvie tagged me once, no different than a carpet of the same size. The wire brush analogy is a good one. I got nailed by a 7.5 female carpet once (feeding mistake) and I hardly noticed. Snake bites are really no big deal, IMO. Sharp teeth, but relatively weak bite pressure. A rodent, kitten, bearded dragon, tokay gecko, etc. all have a worse bite (ounce for ounce) than a chondro or similar harmless snake (In my opinion). I once read a great analogy, can't remember who said it, but they said that being caught in briars is far more painful. I would have to agree.

9. Are emeralds teeth longer than GTPs?
Not sure, don't keep emeralds, but from what I understand, yes that is correct. It may also be that their front teeth are straither than others. Many people refer to emeralds as having enlarged fangs- but unless I am wrong the term fang should only be used to refer to venom conducting teeth.

Good Luck- the single most important thing is to buy a USCBB (or canadian born-) snake from a dedicated breeder. Wild caught and farmed chondros are far more common in the market place than cbb. WC / Farmed babies are often cheaper, but there is a reason. Also beware of people selling farmed babies and labelling them as cbb. Most true cbb chondros will set you back at least $300, usually more. Farmed babies can be found for a little over $100 or so. Think that there is a reason for this? Do your homework (which it looks as though you are), and buy direct from a breeder.
Hope this helped.

westsidestory Jun 01, 2005 01:35 PM

thanks for all the help and input guys!

Julian Garcia Jun 01, 2005 03:02 PM

1. From what I hear on this forum a GTP can live in a TUB until he is about 2 (24 months old)? How long (length) would he be at this time?
-You'll notice when the cage becomes too small for the animal. Remeber they grow at differnt rates. I have a 2 year old that is 800 grams and another that is at 400 grams.

2. Is it okay to cage a (2 year old) in a Vision 222 cage without stressing it out? When is the best(ideal) age to graduate from a tub into a enclosure?
-Again, you'll see when the snake is out growing their enclosures. I wouldnt worry about it.

3. What is the feeding procedure? Say for ex, you have a GTP in a tub, when he is 1-10 months old, do you just throw in a pinkie/mice (alive)? And when he gets older feed him mice, by just throwing in a live one in the tub? Can someone PLEASE explain the feeding procedure in detail like when to start using tongs and when to use thawed mice rats etc etc in detail! thanks!
- Your new CBB chondro WILL be on f/t. I use 12" long hemos for feeding adults and neos. Rico Walders book (ask him he sells them) has a GREAT chapter on feeding responses in baby chondros.

4. Do they let out a distint smell in general? Does the enclosure/tub start to stink? Do their poop smell?
-Chondros dont smell.. at least too me.. I live in a 2 bed room apartment.. the chondros are kept in one of the bedrooms with the door shut.. when one goes, you can smell it as soon as you walk in.

5. IF a gtp is shipped to my door, how will it be parked and how will I transfer it to his/her enclosure?
-It will be packaged like any other snake. In a deli cup or in a bag. I usualy open the cup or bag and give the snake a nudge.. If it looks upset or bites you then use a hook too get it out . I've never been bitten taking a snake out of it's shipping container. I always use my hands.

6. Where can I get a temp/humity checker? I dont want to open the tub lid everytime i want to check it, does anyone know a cheap one i can get?
- I wouldnt worry about them at all. Use your eye to guage humidity or stick your head in the enclosure. If it drys out for a day or 4 it's not the end of the world.

7. how often should i clean the tub/enclusre? obvisously when it poops i will change the paper towles, do the gtp's usually just chill on the perch while you grab the perch to take it out? or does it start to get all crazy?
- I disinfect about 4 times a year. Aside from that i'll spot clean.

8. My friend was bit by a GTP and he said it hurt like crazy. but from what i read in THE COMPLETE CHONDRO book, Mr. Maxwelll said it only feel slike a bunch of spikey pricks snagging you...what is the TRUTH the the myth!?
- Teeth hurt, im sure of it. I don't think theres much of an excuse to get bit by a chondro. You can read these things pretty easily (most of the time). I've never been bitten before.

9. Are emeralds teeth longer than GTPs?
- a lot longer. I would treat any Basin like i would a hot.
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BenTeam Jun 01, 2005 03:57 PM

That is one sick snake Julian. Just had to get that off my chest, ok I feel better now.

shhawke Jun 01, 2005 04:18 PM

how old is that biak??? thats a hottie...

Shiloh

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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

Julian Garcia Jun 02, 2005 01:34 AM

You know i only keep mutts .

Ok, well i have one biak... but thats not it.

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