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I just got in 4 new females. With all the recent talk regarding "flames", this one stood out. Are these flames? I am new to ball pythons... I don't expect her to be anything but normal...just looking to educate myself as to the differences. Thanks,
Pat (Toshi)

feedback?

What do you think?

blushing on head

left side

right side

Just a normal with plenty of blushing. Eric Davies

You have a nice normal ball. Congratulations on your new additions.
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Tosha

"Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed." Don Wood

"Of course, that's only my opinion...and I believe I am God." =) Chris Bianco

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 Pool skimmer rescues for this season

Looks interesting. I think it's worth breeding to see what you get. Won't know anything for sure until then, though. Don't put too much weight behind someone's theories based on a photograph. There are WAY too many variables involved with light, angle, photographer experience and different cameras. If you can, go have someone who has seen one look at it IN PERSON.

If you hatch YB's out of her, hit up the naysayers with an anticompetition lawsuit. What our industry needs is for the silly games and sabotage attempts to come back to bite some folks in the butt a few times. If you were a computer programmer, and someone said your program wouldn't work based on a segment of one single line of code out of thousands that they were able to see, you'd have that person in court the very next day. If some breeders would take the quick "that's a normal, and I can tell for sure even from this poor picture" more seriously, and start holding people accountable for the crap they say in this forum, this business would be a lot better, more reliable, and (most importantly) COLLEGIAL!

People in this business pay absolutely NO respect to one another. That will need to change, or someday some big corporation is going to come storming in and they will crush us all! A little unity could go a long way, which means certain people would have to check their egos at the door.

YB & Fire breeders are not very keen on new competition. Don't be surprised if you get a "that's a normal, but I'll buy her from you" comment somewhere down the road!

Things, and people, are not always as they seem.

SparkE

Not to be RUDE. But I would take someone Like Eric Davies word before I would take Sparky's word!!! Jas.

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Well, seeing as how I didn't say whether it was or not, but rather that someone should be a little more reluctant to jump to a definitive up/down determination, he and I aren't necessarily diametrically opposed. It isn't necessarily an either/or proposition. Most certainly, if Toshi keeps the snake, his hopes for it will certainly be appropriately colored by these opinions. In person, I'm sure I'd view Eric, Jared, or Neil's opinions on ID's with tons more credibility. As I see it, though, people who've worked as hard as they have to establish fairly solid reputations aren't thinking very clearly when they put those very same reputations on the line so readily. Sooner or later, it WILL come back and bite them. It's unprofessional. In business, that's a weakness. Corporate America is like a school of sharks...when they smell weakness, they come in droves! Personally, I'd hate to see that happen. Hopefully, we'll learn before it does.

Some alternatives to "that's just a normal":

"Compared to all of my proven het. ivories, I don't think yours is very convincing."

"In my experience, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much for that snake."

"Hmmmm...I don't know." (I'd probably respect this one the most)