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Where can I purchase panacure and how do I administer it to my flavarufus's.

on Cyclura.com they should have Panacure. I think that's the name of the site, it's a site mostly about the care of Iguana's, like Cubans and Rocks, but they have general reptile info there too. And i'm not 100% sure on administering panacure becasue it is a very powerful parasite killer, but my best guess would be to administer in in small reasonable amounts based on your lizards size.

Did you have a fecal check done on your monitor? My guess is no otherwise your vet would of already recommended the treatment and dosage.

There are sites that tell you the dosages and plenty of places to get panacur. IMO though they should only be used when vet recommended. Atleast to those not knowledgable about the drug and its applications. This will save monitors from getting pumped with medications they may not really need.

I would suggest getting a proper diagnoses from a vet.

I totally disagree with you JPshadow? I have read your responses to many people questions and often you answer their question with questions. Vets are what I call professional rip offs. Yes, there great for dogs and cats and yes sometimes a lizard needs to go to a qualified Vet. Vets often try to get as much money from you as possible. Case in point. A vet wont do a fecal sample from your lizard without first seeing your lizard. Ok, 10 dollars for the fecal float. Oh (40 dollars) cost to see the lizard. Panacure is safe and effective. Take just a small amount. Just enough to cover the top of a toothpick and one every 2 weeks give your lizard. I use Safeguard.

As for you JPShadow, I realize you are tyring to do good here, but I have been reading your posts over the past several months and you need to stop telling peole what not to do, but rather what to do. Please dont take this message to you the wrong way!

I agree with Jody. Getting the aniaml diagnosed before guessing with meds is the best way to go.
This is what I disagree with about your post.

"Vets are what I call professional rip offs"

Because they charge for a service? They charge for their knowlege?
Lets see. They spend countless time and money to attend college to learn. Then they open a bussiness, get licensed, rent or buy a building, buy the equipment nessasary, hire some people to help.. Yup, they should do it for free.
You are right about one thing, they are professionals.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

I agree Scott.

For one to say that they are professional rip offs then one of two things. You are completely clueless which sounds likely or two, you cannot afford to properly treat and care for a monitor and in that case you should not have one. If you cannot afford a 40.00 office visit then maybe you need to find another hobby. It is people like you that give advice to someone who will only end up killing their monitor.

Its not about the treatment, its about what treatment is needed. This is where the vet is very important.

The reason the vet sees the animal is key, the vet then can see if and what is the problem. Which is exactly why people should not be asking about medicial treatment on a forum. The monitor in question, cannot be seen. An experienced keeper and vet, will not and should not dish out advice without seeing the patient.

I hope once a person goes to the vet a few times for minor things, the person learns when a vet is needed and when a vet is not needed. Its an important part of learning to be a keeper, as well.

In this case, I believe the person is thinking about treating a V.flavirufus, an Australian sand monitor. If this person is not in Oz. Then his monitor is captive hatched, and not exposed to the things that would need panacure to fix. So if that keeper thinks theres something wrong, then it is something else. Not parasites. If the person is in Oz, then a vet is needed because of the possibility of many more problems.

The important part here is, while someone said, its parasites or for some reason, the person thinks its parasites, if its in the states and its a captive hatched monitor, panacure is not needed.

If the person is only treating the monitor for some sort of "peace of mind" then a fecal float is a lot better then treating for no reason. Also, your very mistaken if you think panacure is harmless. It may not cause much harm if adminstered properly, but if given improperly it can cause harm. Whats the chances of a beginer doing that right?

Whats needed here is a better understanding of monitors, with good or decent husbandry, even wild monitors full of parasites do not need to be treated. The only time parasites are a problem is when the monitor is totally stressed and full of parasites.

Which leads back to this, why would a beginer are someone with a lack of monitor husbandry understanding, be doing with(buy) a wild caught stressed out monitor. This is another lesson you would learn at the vets. A good vet should give instructions of proper husbandry and recoment not buying wild caught stressed out monitors. Unless your goal is to send that vets kids to college. So theres more to a Vet then a float and a treatment. If your vet is not consulting with you and helping with husbandry, get another vet. FR

I'd address your comments about the vet and why I answered how I did but it seems it has already been done. So instead I will comment on your post directing to me personaly.

"stop telling peole what not to do, but rather what to do."

Telling people what to do is not very nice. I prefer to instead give them options along with my opinion. I prefer to give direction and let them follow it or not follow it. I am sorry you don't like how I reply to questions or answer them. If they bother you so much then don't read them.

Seems you had a very similar question on the water monitor forum. I gave you advice on your setup and then later on told you something similar about panacur. "Unless your monitor has been to a vet and had a fecal done, I would not treat it. You may be treating it for something it does not have. If you believe there is a health issue then it really needs to see a vet."

Link to are conversation

I would realy like to find something to argue with Jody and Frank about. But since we all agree here it aint gonna happen "YET"
Watch your back fellas. hahaha

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Thanks to everyone for your advice and healthy dialog. The vet I go to, for my dogs, told me that he does not know of any vet in the area that deals with reptiles. We have bird vets but none that deal with reptiles per se. To be honest I really don't know if my monitors need panacur or not. I was just curious why all of a sudden the female is eating twice as much as the male. This was not the case ever, till recently. I was thinking maybe she has worms or maybe it is a gravid thing. I have had these flavirufus's for about 3 years now and this was a very noticible difference in their eating patterns. My thought was, if this panacur was not dangerous and easy to obtain and administer, I would do it for precaution or needed treatment, for my peace of mind. Sounds like I had better put that thought on the back burner. Again, thanks to everyone for your help..

I see this same thing with my females, they eat like crazy for a week or two. I beieve they are cycling and wish the boys would do their thing.
The first time my female sav did this, she ate like she was at the last buffet for around 10 days then she just quit eating anything for three days. I then started finding eggs everywhere. In the water, on the basking spot, on the dirt, everywhere.
Then she started eating again. She didn't have a male at that time so I just fed the egs to my albig.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

just an fyi. JPsShadow is right that giving Pancur on a hunch may be a bad thing. If you have had a vet give it in past for a similar set of symptoms...hey, no problem...you are probably right. it is an effective treatment option for pinworms and some protozoans. but if you are wrong,...say it is Coccidia or not even a GI parasite at all and you are giving meds...you are running the risk of causing harm. get a poop smear read and an organism identified somehow(if that is it). but animals with GI parasites lose weight and get lethargic-they are usually not good feeders when infected severely do it yourself and look up what they look like if you want to avoid vet bills. yes, they (and everybody else in the world) is looking to make $$$. I am looking to get a used microscope for this since i have a library of vet books and cut out the vet too. all meds have side effects and you have to weigh the pros vs. cons of the med and the animals health.