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Does anyone know the history on these? What is the fair market value of these animals? Thanks for your help!

JT

hardey reptiles has them.You can readt the history on there web site.There are asking $3000.00 each for them this year and half that for hets? seems pretty high to me and I will wait till they are down to $500.00 like the rest of the tri-colored albinos.
There aren't any anery or hypo annulatas out for makeing double hets so kinda sounds like a dead end to me?Just another tri-colored albino.I haven't seen them in person but the don't look as nice as a nelsoni or a honduron.

just my input,
splitbrain

You said,,,,,,There aren't any anery or hypo annulatas out for makeing double hets so kinda sounds like a dead end to me..... Now that is something you may very well be wrong about. I agree the price is high, and I would not spend that much cash on them either. You know she sat on this project for a few years keeping it secret, someone else can be doing the same exact thing with Anerys and or Hypos. That is what keeps this hobby interesting. Surprises are always welcome. I think many people would rather buy a pair of Tangerine Albinos or some other high end Milks before the Annulata but I am sure to some it will be a big deal and they will sell for high dollar. Another thing worth mentioning is Don Shores had the Albino Splendida for a year or two before this year and it seems for some odd reason people are just starting to take notice and it is a BEAUTIFUL snake. Now there's Anerys and there's already been Hypos for a long while...I am hoping these newer morphs bring some well deserved attention to snakes other than the allmighty Corns and Ball Pythons. The more the merrier. Tom Stevens

you have a good point there tom.
I just went and looked at don shors site and the albino desert kings are $300.00 each.Thats a far cry from $3k each so you are comparing apples and oranges?Iam just saying that I don't know how they can justify a $3k price tag for a snake like that?
you say they kept it a secret for a few years why????? they should have come out whith it right away and could have got there asking price no problem,now I don't think they will get over a grand per snake unless they find some suckers like somebody had said?

splitbrain

you have a good point there tom.
I just went and looked at don shors site and the albino desert kings are $300.00 each.Thats a far cry from $3k each so you are comparing apples and oranges?
Iam just saying that I don't know how they can justify a $3k price tag for a snake like that?
you say they kept it a secret for a few years why????? they should have come out whith it right away and could have got there asking price no problem,now I don't think they will get over a grand per snake unless they find some suckers like somebody had said?

splitbrain

No sir, as I said I too think that price is too high, much too high actually. Honestly the Splendida in my opinion is a steal, great price allowing many Albino lovers a chance at having one. What I am trying to say is I think she was smart to not tell people about the snake til she produced her own for sale. Remember it most likely started with one snake that popped up in a litter unexpectedly. Even if it was a few snakes, it still would take 2 or 3 years to get the project off the ground at a minimum. Another point I was trying to make was that the Splendida was offered in the form of hets before Albinos were available yet not many people took interest??? The Annulata was not there one second and there the next. And it seems to be getting more attention? This may be due to the fact no one expected it and now it is avaiable in Albino and het form. Overpriced..both of us think so, but some snake people have a lot of money to blow on these things so I bet they sell. We'll see if in a few months the ad is still up and the price is the same. I myself have White Sided Speckled Kings, and they're phemomenal. However since many other White Sided snakes were around first it dulls the effect a bit [even though they're the nicest of all] and did indeed make the initial asking price much lower than many other "new" morphs. I paid less the a grand for mine, and it was the first group offered. I feel 100% satisfied with them and with the price I paid. I do not think someone buying into the Annulata may be as content....but I guess ya never know. Tom Stevens

I'd be interested in seeing how the albino annulata compare to the nelson (albino) x annulata crosses out there. Anyone remember that guy's name that was producing these a few years back? I remember seeing the F1s but don't recall if he ever got albinos. Anyone have contact info or remember this guy's name? I tried the archives but no luck.

kk

I'm not sure what they are worth but the pictures show one of the nicest looking albino's around.
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Steve W.

From what is told they seem to be honest albino Mexicans. I've seen pics of several and some are stunning while others are so so. Still given their tangerine ground color I thought them among the most attractive of the tri colors. I might have bitten on the 3000 price tag IF it didn't appear that they had a fairly significant population of breeders ready to come on line this and next year and it weren't "just another albino tri color". IMHO few people are going to drop that amount of coin when there are MUCH cheaper alternatives.

agree totally with splitbrain. albino annulata IMHO are not near as nice as albino nelsoni, and nelsoni were 2 grand each when they came out. you can get them now for 50/75 a baby. you can ask for any price, for anything, theres always some sucker out there, lol!!

Thanks to all for your comments! I brought up the Hardy Reptile website but found nothing on the Annulata. It looks like the site hasn't been updated in a few years. If anyone knows anything more about the history on this project please let me know! Thanks guys,

JT

The albino annulata's were first produced by myself back in 2001, from a pair of tangerine phase annulata siblings. The siblings were produced from a pair of wild caught animals collected back in the mid-90's in Freer, Texas. I have a short article I have written that I will e-mail anyone who wants to have a copy.
We proved out the WC female was indeed het. for albino, when she was bred back to a male albino and produced albinos in the clutch.

We unveiled the albino annulata's last year at the NARBC show in Anaheim, and got a ton of feedback from our peers and milksnake experts.
The price was intentionally set high as we are so tired of seeing the prices of colubrids fall like a ton of bricks within a few years. I feel that $3000 is a lot of money to spend on colubrids, but to be honest when you consider the thousands people are spending on all those ball pythons morphs it makes my $3000 asking price seem justified considering our albino annulata are probally one of the rarest snakes in the world as only a handful of albinos exist.
As to the investment side of the albino annulata. I only see a positive upside to them and truly believe them not to be a dead end morph. People there is a lot going on with the annulatas, only time before you will see. Some of the projects we are already working on include spotted albinos, pinstripe albinos, reduced pattern, and hopefully patternless albinos. All of these projects take patience and time to develop and create so hopefully in the near future we will have more to offer. Not to mention all the other secret annulata projects people are working with. I truly believe the annulatas will rival the honduran morphs in the near future.

Our web site has not been updated for a long time because we have been busy working and taking care of all the animals in the collection. We will be working with Rick from Renegage Reptiles to get our new site up as soon as possible, plus a site dedicated for the albinos as well www.albinoannulata.com we hope to have everything updated with the next few months.

Kind Regards,

Susan
Hardy Reptiles

Once you mentioned the prices of some of the ball pythons now out there you made a good point. Good luck with the annulata. They are one of, if not the nicest albino milks i've seen.
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Steve W.

I think they are nicer than the albino nelsoni too but then I like normal annulatta more than normal nelsoni.