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Regulation Proposal

goini04 Jun 09, 2005 08:16 AM

I found this on another website, thought I might see what people think. Link to website will be below.

Regulation Proposal

Suggested State/County/Local Regulations
For the Keeping and Maintenance of
Venomous Snakes and Lizards, Large Boids &
Crocodilians

This proposal is intended to provide a set of
standards that a State/County/Local government can
adopt to regulate the acquisition, keeping and
maintenance of venomous snakes and lizards, large
boids (such as Burmese Pythons) and Crocodilians.
These standards would be a means of allowing reptile
enthusiasts to pursue their hobby of keeping these
animals while also reducing the concerns of both the
reptile-related scientific community and non-reptile
enthusiasts (people who do not enjoy keeping reptiles
as companion-type animals). It is well known that
inexperienced reptile enthusiasts, at times, make
mistakes and cause serious concern among people. Some
of these concerns would be:

1. Large pythons and other Boids escaping from their
enclosures, roaming the neighborhoods and casting fear
upon other residents. These same pythons have been
known to kill their inexperienced keepers by mistaking
them for prey items.

2. Venomous snakes escaping from their enclosures due
to the inexperience of some reptile keepers, thereby
causing a real danger to themselves and other
residents and their pets in these same areas.

3. Crocodilians escaping from their enclosures, again
due to the inexperience of their keepers, and, again,
causing unnecessary fear and concern among local
residents.

The facts listed above are just some of the reasons
we have drawn up these Suggested State/County/Local
Regulations to solve what has become a major
controversy over the past several years. We as
responsible reptile handlers/keepers fully understand
and indeed share the concerns of others as to what
happens when inexperienced, immature or thoughtless
people allow reptiles that are potentially dangerous
to come into unwanted contact with other people, their
families or pets. We cringe whenever we hear the
television news, or read the front page of our local
newspapers, and learn that a careless individual has
allowed their fifteen foot Burmese Python to escape
and it has subsequently terrified other local
residents. We are not only concerned for these
people’s safety, but concerned as well as to the
future of what will become of what is nothing short of
a passion to us.

As responsible reptile keepers, we feel that our
animals are our companions. We also realize that many
people do not feel as we do about reptiles, especially
snakes. However, just as the dog, cat, fish or bird
“owner” has the right and the privilege to keep their
beloved companion in their home with them to enjoy, we
believe as well that we, too, should have the right
and the same privilege to keep our beloved creatures
in our homes to enjoy. Therefore it is our intention
as well as our hope that these Suggested
State/County/Local Regulations can alleviate the
controversy, or at the least, greatly lessen this
conflict, and find a suitable compromise that will
satisfy a majority of the people on both sides of this
sensitive issue.

Template for Suggested State Regulations

The following reptiles cannot be purchased, sold,
traded or acquired in any way by an individual without
a valid permit issued by the State/County/Local
government of (insert name here). Furthermore, these
reptiles shall be considered Potentially Dangerous
Animals:

The following large snakes in the Boidae Family:
Boa constrictor imperator- Common Boa
Boa constrictor constrictor- Red tail Boa
Boa constrictor longicauda- Long tailed Boa
Boa constrictor occidentalis -Argentine Boa
Boa constrictor ortonii- Orton's Boa
Apodora papuana- Papuan Python
Eunectes murinus- Anaconda
Eunectes notaeus- Yellow Anaconda
Liasis olivaceous olivaceous- Olive Python
Liasis Olivaceous Barroni - Western Olive
Python, Pilbara Olive Python
Morelia Amethistina- Amethyst Python, Scrub Python
Morelia boeleni- Boelen's Python, Black Python
Morelia/Liasis Oenpelli- Oenpelli Rock Python
Python molurus- Burmese Python
Python Reticulata- Reticulated Python
Python sabae sabae - African Rock Python

Any venomous species of Snake or Lizard:
The following species of Snakes and lizards shall be
considered venomous:
Any snake within the Viperidae Family (i.e
Rattlesnakes, Gaboon Vipers, etc.)
Any snake within the Elapidae Family (i.e. Cobras,
Mambas, Kraits, etc.)
Atractaspididae Family (Mole Vipers, Stiletto
Snakes)
Psammophis (Sand Racers)
Rhabdophis (Keelback Snakes)
Dispholidus (Boomslangs)
Thelatornis (Twig Snakes)
Helodermatidae (Gila Monsters, Beaded Lizards)

Any Crocodilian species

Persons wishing to obtain a permit for any of the
above listed animals must meet the following
requirements:

A. Person shall provide proof by means of a written
test that they have a full understanding/knowledge of
the animal’s inherent nature/disposition, food, water
and housing requirements, and dangers/risks involved
in keeping of said animal.

B. Person shall provide physical proof in the form of
a photograph that they have in their possession
adequate housing for said animal that meets size and
safety requirements for that animal, or a valid
receipt of purchase from a local merchant for a
manufactured cage/enclosure meeting adequate housing
and safety requirements.

C. Person shall pay all fees for tests, applications
and permits as required by State/County/Local
Authorities prior to any permit or permits being
issued. A Permit issued for any Potentially Dangerous
Animal shall include any and all animals which fall
under that specific category. Permit fees and
schedules shall be as follows:
Permit fee for keeping/handling large Boids to be
renewed annually. (Suggested permit fee - $10.00)
Permit fee for keeping/handling Crocodilians to be
renewed annually. (Suggested permit fee - $15.00)
Permit fee for keeping/handling Venomous snakes or
lizards to be renewed annually. (Suggested permit fee
- $20.00)

D. In the event that an animal does indeed escape by
any fault of its permitted keeper, and said animal is
found anywhere off-site of the owner's property, said
permit shall be immediately revoked, and future permit
or permits shall not be approved for a period of (how
many years?), after which time said permit may be
reinstated, provided no serious physical harm to any
persons resulted from such animal's escape. Any
fines/punishments shall be enforced by the
State/County/Local Judicial system.

E. In the case of keeping and handling of venomous
snakes or lizards, each person desiring a permit must
be Venomous Certified to keep and handle venomous
snakes or lizards. The (State?) requirements for
obtaining Venomous Certification are as such:

Certification of any person desiring to acquire and
keep venomous snakes or lizards shall consist of a
minimum of five hundred (500) hours of training
under the supervision of (State?)-approved personnel
experienced in the handling and husbandry of venomous
snakes or lizards. Said personnel shall be deemed
approved by the (State?) as “experts” in the handling
and husbandry of venomous snakes and/or lizards.
Persons which the (State?) may consider as qualified
to administer training may be those belonging to or
employed by:
Zoos
Animal Rescue/Rehabilitation Facilities
Museums (Natural History or similar)
Herpetological Societies/Associations/Organizations
Wildlife Sanctuaries/Parks
Any other persons with reasonable experience and
knowledge of handling/keeping venomous snakes and/or
lizards.

Certification of persons in the keeping/handling of
venomous snakes and/or lizards shall be available
within four (4) separate categories. Each category
shall require a minimum of five hundred (500) hours of
training by (State?)-approved personnel. Persons
seeking permits for any two (2), three (3) or all four
(4) of the categories below shall receive the minimum
hours of training for each category. Therefore, a
person seeking to obtain certification for two (2)
categories shall require a minimum of 1,000 (1,000)
hours of training, a person seeking certification in
three (3) categories shall receive a minimum of
fifteen hundred (1,500) hours of training, and a
person seeking certification in all four (four)
categories shall receive a minimum of 2,000 hours of
training. These categories shall be as follows:

Category I:
Keeping/Handling of Lizards in the Heloderma
Family, which would be Gila Monsters and/or Beaded
Lizards. Minimum 500 hours of training.

Category II:
Keeping/Handling of snakes within the Viperidae
Family, including, but not limited to, Rattlesnakes,
Copperheads, Cottonmouths (Water Moccasins), True
Vipers. Minimum 500 hours of training.

Category III:
Keeping/Handling of venomous Colubrids such as
Psammophis (Sand Racers), Rhabdophis (Keelback
Snakes), Dispholidus (Boomslangs), Thelatornis (Twig
Snakes). Minimum 500 hours of training.

Category IV:
Keeping/Handling of snakes within the Elapidae
Family, including but not limited to, Cobras, Mambas
and Kraits. Minimum 500 hours training.

F. Persons seeking to be certified in the keeping of
venomous snakes and/or lizards are responsible for
paying for required training by (State?)approved
experts, with such fees set by the personnel that
shall be implementing the training program for
desiring individuals.

G. Persons that receive a permit or permits allowing
them to keep any potentially dangerous animal(s) must
advise the following agencies that they retain such
permit or permits, and that they will be keeping
animals that fall within the respective permit
categories:
Local Law Enforcement Authorities
Local Animal Control Offices (or similar)
Local Fire department(s)
Local Ambulance Service(s)
Information of individuals obtaining and maintaining
above stated permits will be kept strictly
confidential and will not be released to the public
or to the media unless a court order is presented.
Keeping these records private will ensure the
protection of individuals with said permit(s) and
their respective collections of animals from criminal
action.

H. All animals kept by person(s) prior to these
State/County/Local Regulations coming into effect
shall be exempt from these regulations, provided such
persons having in their possession any venomous
species of snakes and/or lizards can provide proof of
a minimum of three (3) years prior experience in the
keeping/handling of such animals.
Regulation Proposal

Replies (4)

Dewback Jun 09, 2005 10:53 AM

Wow, its obvious that this proposal wasn't written by boid keepers. If they had their way most of my collection would be illegal. While I think there is an overabundance of irresponsible keepers these laws are usually ridiculous. I do, however, like their idea of permitting rather than outright banning. Most of the time these lawmakers are more ignorant than the irresponsible people they are trying to regulate. This particular list bugs me because it is heavily biased against boid keepers and crocodilians. Nowhere does it mention large, dangerous lizards, (monitors, Tegus, maybe even iguanas) poisonous amphibians (marine toads, river toads), or large aggressive turtles (snappers).
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Bill Moss Jun 09, 2005 06:27 PM

While I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of what is proposed if it were to work that way, the problem is that it will not.

Local government does not have staff, let alone expertise to make proper decisions. It will be much easier to say "no".

I would agree to testing when dog and cat owners do. 4.5 million people are bitten by dogs each year. Between 10 and 20 people die each year as a result. I don't think it's a loose alligator in the neighborhood that should be the source of alarm for the general public (OK, I know that these are the result of ignorant perceptions)

Shouldn't we license people to operate power tools? After all, millions of people hurt themselves each year because of careless usage.

I think we have to be very careful when we INVITE government regulation.

Bill

goini04 Jun 09, 2005 09:47 PM

While I couldnt agree with you more Bill, I will have to say that I dont think that its us "inviting" government regulation. Government regulation "invites" itself. Right now from what I hear, Kentucky is taking a hit. Here in Ohio, it's looking like it's going to be possible due to another moron being bitten by his "pet" venomous snake. Unfortunately, even though venomous snakes start it, crocodilians, large constrictors, large lizards, and dangerous mammals all seem to get thrown in there all at the same time.

I am now trying to figure out what I can do to help my situation and my future plans in this state for my crocs. I hope to be opening a rescue soon, and perhaps later a reptile zoo. This ban puts these plans in serious jeapardy. I am sure there are other individuals that this will effect as much as myself, but overall I think the potential issue sucks.

Oh well, what can I do. It's not like I will be able to do anything anyways. It appears that letters, phone calls and emails dont add up to anything anymore (hold on, did they ever?) to the government.

Chris

Kentucky letter proposal

goini04 Jun 09, 2005 09:48 PM

np

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