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I currently have 5 snakes as part of my hot collection, 3 Suphans and 2 Red Spitters. I've been trying to get Antivenom with no success. Do you have any info you can help me with.
I have a copy of the 1999 Antivenom Index from the American Zoo and Aquarium Association, so I'm also trying that avenue. If you can help me out in anyway please email me at jgwizz@msn.com

Thanks,

Joe G.

I am no expert on antivenom in fact I stay far from the naja family cause of the inherent tissue damage from the bite.
even if you use antivenom or self innoculate.
But many people like them so many bites can and do happen.
I would recommend selling them and getting in to a pure neurotoxic species.
Some of them are less destructive tissue and blood wise.
and can be innoculated against with great success.
No Matter what some people think.
I proved this on film for natonal geographic injecting all the venom a 6 foot jamesons mamba had and then running nonstop for near a mile climbing up and down a tree.
with just swelling that went away in 24 hours.
Proving self innoculation worked for me .
It might make it to tv but it was not exciting enough for them.
Though they paid for film crews and plane flights ect to see and film this.
so why use antivenom if you can simply bypass it?
bud

And they called him Forrest Gump. I can't even climb that tree w/out mamba venom. U crazy turd. Herpin at Lowe Lake tomorrow, will be thinkin bout ya. The Madman

good luck at the lake.
bud

lol@the mamba thing

too crazy...

Self innoculate would be a consideration especially because I don't think there is an antivenom for the Red Spitter (Naja Pallida) I believe the venom From the Naja Pallida is considered weak compared to the rest of the Elapidae family.

Hey Joe, the Naja complex is mega wicked. Cytotoxins even w/ SI rip me apart. Nivea is a real kicker, w/ kaouthia being the sh!t. Pallida a pussy-cat compared to those. I'll beat the alpha and beta neuros, but the cyto's make the meanest MF'er in the planet. The pain is ruthless. A SI rule of thumb> Mambas kick it hard of the bat, and the cobras come from behind and never LEAVE. I pulled some serious muscle w/ 50 migs for NG, but don't even have a scar. That was my point w/ the correlation w/ ab binding, in regards the blood chemistry binding. The time brother is the key w/ neutralization w/ this bad protein to make good protein. Great Q

Hey Deuce, Great info! can you post your website or maybe email it to me. I saved it on my favorites, when trying to log on, it would not work.

Joe G

First of all I would never innoculate against purely
necrotic species if you try this you will understand why.
The reason there is no av for the red spitter is that there is not to many deaths from it so why make av.
If you try to do it necrosis is not to fun to deal with.
It leaves a wound then a scar.
To be safer just get rid of the nasty cobras.
Then you dont have to deal with all the rotting necrosis.
Cobra venom melts tissue.
I prefer mambas their venom is much more advanced.
pure neurotoxins zero necrosis.
My body agrees with it and is quite resistant to it.
The black mamba is my current species of choice.
big deadly lots of venom.

There IS an AV for Red Spitters, SAIMR, South African Polyvalent.
We stock it at our zoo.
You can reach the up-dated Antivenin Index through the AZA site.
Randal

Thank you Lanceheads, Can you give me any info on how I can purchase
AV(SAIMR, South African Polyvalent) from your zoo or anywere else?
My email address jgwizz@msn.com
I can compensate you for your help!

Joe G

Zoos can't sell it to you (Nor can you legally buy it). It's considered an experimental drug by the USFDA and requires an IND# (investigational New Drug) to import it from overseas. if you're interested in the process of how this works to acquire exotic AV, email me and I will send you a document describing it(its basically the same procedure outlined in the AZA index with a little more explanation on how to fill out the forms).

Randal is correct, SAIMR POlyvalent works for Naja pallida(I have a friend who was tagged by one years ago at an AZA zoo and SAIMR turned him right around). At the same time, it did nothing for the extensive necrosis that covered most of his hand and evertually sloughed off like a giant scab.

MH

Thanks for your help Matt!!

Joe G

also naja nigricollis is not on there is it.
just pray it works.
it covers brown spitter thats close enough to bet on.
later you guys get me in the lower bowels.
spitter venom does its damage I would not debend on a poly that does not state the specific snake on the label but not the case with some csl products.

self innoculation? Is it injecting diluted venom in yourself? I'm just wondering cuz I'm a little lost on this post here...