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I've heard of het pieds having "markers"... what are these markers exactly?

Thanks for any help!

Look at the first pic that 'Gib' posted.

Can you be more specific on Gib's picture? Thanks!

Clear belly - solid lines going down the sides. Some hets have them, most don't, lots of snakes that aren't hets have them. In other words, not at all an accurate way to tell if it's acctually a pied het. I think Peter Kahl accually had some marker possible hets that didn't produce peids.
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Tosha

"Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed." Don Wood

"Of course, that's only my opinion...and I believe I am God." =) Chris Bianco

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 Pool skimmer rescues for this season

Not to hijack this thread, but where did you get your Angolan?? How much do they typically cost? How do they compare generally as pets?

Your Angolan is super cool!

Bruce - I'm not sure if it went thru or not but I PM'ed you a reply earlier. Just didn't want you thinking I didn't respond if the system didn't deliver it. LOL

Thanks,
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Tosha

"Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed." Don Wood

"Of course, that's only my opinion...and I believe I am God." =) Chris Bianco

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope John Paul)
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.0 Pool skimmer rescues for this season

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The estimates I've read (Corey Woods post and Peter Kahl 2nd hand report) are that 70-80% of het pieds have the marker. Certainly that not being 100% and the possibility of non hets having it prevents it from being a sure thing but the difference between most hets having it and most not having it would make a lot of difference in how useful it could be.

Does anyone here have details on the pied male that Peter Kahl reportedly bred to a bunch of markered possible het female pieds without producing pieds? Was it captive bred and did it ever produce pieds with other pieds or 100% hets?

I saw an Ivory het sibling the other day that didn't have the yellow belly edge marker but had several other yellow belly characteristics (flames, high yellow dorsal, mottled yellow on the belly, yellow scales scattered, etc.). I wonder if the yellow belly edge is just a very reliable (but still not 100%) sporadic marker for het Ivory.

"I saw an Ivory het sibling the other day that didn't have the yellow belly edge marker but had several other yellow belly characteristics (flames, high yellow dorsal, mottled yellow on the belly, yellow scales scattered, etc.). I wonder if the yellow belly edge is just a very reliable (but still not 100%) sporadic marker for het Ivory."

Now thats a good question.
I would be very interested to hear the answer.
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Charles Glaspie

would this be considered the so called marker. this animal is in no way het pied or possible that i know of. his belly is clear and he has really reduced sides. sorry the pic isnt clear. will try to get a better one.

That's pretty much it. I do notice that it hooks in pretty good at the top so maybe it's a ringer belly effect. Of course you don't know it's not het pied without breeding but it's probably an example of the reported normals with the marker that along with the hets that don't have it keep it from being a perfect system. What sex is it and where did you get it?

its a 500gm male. he also has really nice reduced pattern. both sides look like the pic. the reduced area is on the lower third of his body.i plan on putting him with the girl i have with the twin spots on her head.let me know what you think.

joe

I just got in my PK 100% Het. Pied 1.0 and of course I had to check out his belly and sure enough it looks like some one took the broad edge of a jet black marker and outlined the edges of the body! The side striping that may be a marker is in my opinion now un-mistakable.
Maybe it goes along with the side blushing/flames and just a overall "different" look. Now only having seen ONE other Het. Pied, due to the blushing/flames and "different" look I knew what she was before I saw the tag. She was in a room at a rescue (Looong story) and I was adopting 2 0.2's and the Woman housing the Ball Pythons showed me the whole group that she had and already informed me there was a Het.
I was almost able to adopt her on the condition I purchased a verified Het. Male and gave all proceeds to the Society for 2 years. I readily agreed. Who wouldn't? A 0.1 Het. Pied for $20.00?? But because I wasn't a member of the Society the President I was unable to adopt her. No hard feelings though, the 2 females I did adopt are amazing. One is a Jungle Familiar (Blade the movie) And the other is a sooty Granite Familiar