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If I breed a Hypo to a Sunglow female what do I get?

How about if the Hypo is also het for albino?

How about if the Hypo is het for Anery?

Thanks to all you genetics wizards!!!! Andy

I have a question to add. Does breeding 2 salmons give you a litter consisting of all salmons or do you still get regulars in the litter. I remember someone who posted earlier that he bred 2 Arabesque together and got normals in the litter.

>>I have a question to add. Does breeding 2 salmons give you a litter consisting of all salmons or do you still get regulars in the litter. I remember someone who posted earlier that he bred 2 Arabesque together and got normals in the litter.

Breeding 2 salmons together will hypothetically give you 25% normals, 50% co doms and 25% doms.. All of the hypos being possible dom... And with the ArabXArab litter, I highly doubt that was the case, although, mother nature DOESN'T use a punnet square, so I believe it could be possible, but very unlikely if they were both genetic arabesques.

And my percentages are pertaining to the amount of animals in the litter.. IE 20 offspring, 25% is 5 babies...
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Joe Lydon
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ArabesqueXArabesque = All arabesque in the litter? Last time I checked arabesque's were a co-dom trait. Meaning they "should" act in the same way hypo's work. So breeding arabesque to arabesque you will get normals in the litter. Same with motley's,jungles,and any other proven co-dom traits. Your percents were acurate as far as breeding hypo to hypo but you will not get all arabesque's by breeding arabesque to arabesque. If i'm wrong please set me straight. Just my 2cents. Please don't take this response the wrong way just adding what I know.

Ruben Michel

Ruben,
I believe you are correct. You should get 1/4 normals from an arab x arab breeding. However, personally I believe that the arabesque will prove out to be dominant and not codominant. While you can probably pick some of the super arabs out of a litter, I think some of the more normal ones will prove out to be supers also. Just like hypos.

Just my thoughts.
Matt

and of course the arabesque has a super version.I wasn't doubting that. All true co-dom morphs do and it will probably work just like the hypo's as you said. You'll be abel to pick out the mostlikely supers do to the more tweaked pattern and such and there will be some that look more normal but will be supers. Kinda like the male super ghost that produced Doug Matuszak ghost litter this year. He was the only one left over from last year and he's not a good looking ghost at all but he turned out to be a super. So, I guess you never can tell with some of these guys.

Ruben Michel

I agree with what you are saying, except that hypos and now arabesques are dominant mutations and not codominant. Codominant morphs have a visually distinctive super form. A good example of this is the motley. There is no way for the super motley to be confused with the regular motley. Dominant mutations do not have a visually distinctive super form. Hypos and arabesques are good examples of a dominant mutation.

Matt

Yes, the purple pattenless came from a motley to motley breeding. Has it been bred to a normal to see if all motley's come out yet? Not to my knowledge. Maybe this yaer but not as of yet. So, just because something wierd like the purple popped out doesn't mean it's a super until it's proven.

RUBEN MICHEL

I was just trying to demonstrate the difference between codom and dom traits. If the purple patternless proves to be the super (which I think it will) then the motley would be codominant. Hypos on the other hand, have proven to be dominant and not codominant. The arabesque has also not proved out either way, but I suspect it will be dominant.

Matt

I think i'm just a little confuzed on what your saying but get the idea.

Ruben

That is what I thought. I just remember someone had posted on the forums not too long ago and said he had gotten normals from an Arabesque to Arabesque breeding and this kinda got me stuck for a minute.

>>ArabesqueXArabesque = All arabesque in the litter? Last time I checked arabesque's were a co-dom trait. Meaning they "should" act in the same way hypo's work. So breeding arabesque to arabesque you will get normals in the litter. Same with motley's,jungles,and any other proven co-dom traits. Your percents were acurate as far as breeding hypo to hypo but you will not get all arabesque's by breeding arabesque to arabesque. If i'm wrong please set me straight. Just my 2cents. Please don't take this response the wrong way just adding what I know.
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>>Ruben Michel

Ruben, I believe he said that the ARABXARAB produced ALL normals... I might be wrong though, and I do know that arab is co dom and it works exactly like hypos do. Sorry for the confusion... I was saying it was unprobable that there was a whole litter of normals from ARABxARAB...
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Joe Lydon
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Arabesques do not appear to be acting in a codom manner. Hypos are also not codom. They are DOMINANT. The super form of both of these morphs do not appear different than the non super and therefore are dominant, not codominant. Motleys and jungles are great examples of codominant mutations because you can visually pic the supers out of a litter with no doubt. Hypos and arabs are not like this.

Matt Crabe

>>If I breed a Hypo to a Sunglow female what do I get?
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>>How about if the Hypo is also het for albino?
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>>How about if the Hypo is het for Anery?
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>>Thanks to all you genetics wizards!!!! Andy

Breeding a co dominant hypo to a co dominant sunglow will give you 25% normals het albino, 50% co doms het albino and 25% dom het albino.. All of the hypos would be poss dom because it's impossible to distinguis the doms from co dom.

Breeding a co dominant hypo het for albino to a co dominant sunglow will give you 25% normals het albino, 25% co doms het albino, 25% co dom sunglows, 12.5% dom het albinos and 12.5% dom sunglows.. Again, all of the sunglows and hypos will be possible dom..

Breeding a co dom hypo het anery to a co dom sunglow will give you 25% normals 50% het anery and 100% albino, 50% co doms 50% poss het anery 100% albino and 25% doms 50% poss het anery 100% albino... The normals would be poss het snow, and all of the hypos would be poss dom and poss triple het for snoglow...

I just did this all in my head, I'm a little unsure of the co dom hypo het albino X co dom sunglow, someone correct me if I'm wrong...
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Joe Lydon
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>>Breeding a co dom hypo het anery to a co dom sunglow will give you 25% normals 50% het anery and 100% albino, 50% co doms 50% poss het anery 100% albino and 25% doms 50% poss het anery 100% albino... The normals would be poss het snow, and all of the hypos would be poss dom and poss triple het for snoglow...
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I believe that was incorrect I believe the results will be:

62.5% Hypo of which 40%will be possible supers 60% will be Triple het for snow and 40% will be Double het for Sunglow.

12.5% Ghost Het Albino

12.5% Anery Het Albino

12.5% Normal all Double het fo Snow

Just a Guess
My2Cents
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I think the earlier was correct. You can't get Ghost or anerys unless both parents carry the gene.

Joe, I check you on all but this cross:
>Breeding a co dominant hypo het for albino to a co dominant sunglow will give you 25% normals het albino, 25% co doms het albino, 25% co dom sunglows, 12.5% dom het albinos and 12.5% dom sunglows.. Again, all of the sunglows and hypos will be possible dom..

Instead of 25% normals het albino, I get 12.5% normals het albino and 12.5% albinos.

Paul Hollander