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Hey everyone. Lets try this again. I posted last night but when I just logged on it was gone. It was there last night. There wasnt anything bad in it so I dont understand. . oh well. I'll just try and make this as close as it was last night. I've loved the Uroplatus sence I first seen them a couple years ago. I would like to start breeding them BUT I dont know much about them. I'm geting a 125gal that I want to put it on its side so its really tall not long. I'll modify it for the heat and all that stuff. What I was wondering from you all is are there any good books or care sheets anyone know of? I live in Indiana so I can make it to the Indy show most months when my job will alow it. . . workin 12 hours sucks lol. I'd like to start out with either satanics or the spear points. If I do the 125 I'd love to put it up like a show tank with like 1.5 or so in there as a breeding colony too. I normaly stay with the ball pythons but right now room is an isue. If anyone is interested in tradeing email me. I'm interested in by the next year or so haveing at least one pair of every type of leaf-tail and breeding to help take the pressure off the wild ones. I've kept many geckos over the years I breed cresteds for a few years but got out. So I'm not new to the geckos just these guys. You guys always have good info and all seem to know whats goin down with them so if anyone can help me please get ahold of me. Everthing anyone says or helps with will be greatly apriciated.
Thanks Alot,
Blake

The reason your post was deleted was you made references to that you wanted to trade ball pythons for leaf tails, this is not allowed. Just a few suggestions and questions. First of all I think you are going to want to get a higher male to female ratio than 1.5. Something more like 3.3 or 2.3. Getting males to breed is one of the most challenging aspects of leaf tail breeding, I don't think one male is going to cut it for all those females. Although keeping leaf tails in groups does have its advantages it also has its disadvantages namely you don't know who the parents are so you can't continue your breeding efforts and produce second generation captives. Another thing to consider is leaf tails are not at all like ball pythons or crested geckos when it comes to breeding, they are much more difficult to breed. If your 125 gallon is tall enough you could keep it long wise and put tank dividers in and keep several pairs in it. As for caresheet simply go to google and make a search for what species you are interested in and your bound to come up with some caresheets. Also I know of a couple breeders that have CB leaf tails available if you are willing to spend a little extra money, email me at madherp@hotmail.com if your interested.
-Matt

something that jason just mentioned in another post i think is really relative to this here as well. and that is that i would not recommend starting off with a large quantity of leaftails. they're very sensitive, and it would be much better to work with 1 or 2 at a time, and build from there. i also second the opinion matt had about keeping the sex ratios less skewed. not only is it going to be nearly impossible for you to get single females, but its also going to cost you a pretty penny. i 125 gal would be nice for such a large group, but i think you still might find yourself thinking time to time that you've lost some of your gex, cuz satanics are small. in such a large enclosure, i would recommend starting out with a species such as mossies. having a 125 gal standing up would really make an awesome home for them, and also possibly set up a nice heat/cool gradient as well, granted things were put together correctly. so good luck, but remember it would be a much better idea to start off with a smaller group of any leaftails until you acquaint yourself with them.

I desided to go with satanics. I'd like to get a pair of them to start out with. Any good advice? Who would be a good person to get off of or does it really matter?

It definatly matters who you get them from but I don't believe you are allowed to discuss different dealers on this forum. I would personally not recommend not going with the satanics for a first species. They seem to be the most fragile of all the leaf tails. I'm not sure if they are harder to care for but they seem to have the highest mortality rate and sometimes just die for no apparent reason. Just make sure you know what your getting into before you buy the geckos. I saddens me to see posts on the forum such as "I just got some satanics how do I take care of them." If you are willing to put some time into research before you get the geckos your experience with them I think will be much more enjoyable. Good luck with your new Uroplatus venture.
-Matt

I deffently will do alot of reaserch before buying. What in your opinions is the best leaftail to start out with? It seem that everyone agrees that Satanics arnt the best to start with. If we cant talk about differnt breeders could you email them to me. I had a VERY bad experiance with a Green Tree Python because I got very very VERY bad stock and now I'm timid about geting another even thw I KNOW it wasnt my fault it died. I'd realy like to be spared that if I can.
Thanks,
Blake

But you are not allowed to TRASH anyone, Can not attack a company or person.

For example I can say I got my lizard from Reptile depot and was very pleased.
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id recommend checking out the guarantees that the sellers offer, although usually theres only a 24 hour life/health guarantee with leaftails. if ANYTHING seems out of the ordinary, you want to contact the seller first thing and let them know your concern, and in some cases youll be able to get an extended warranty. Reptile Depot was very easy to deal with in this aspect for me, and I have heard many good things about them. They often have ad's in the classifieds here, id recommend checking those out. Michael Cole is also a good guy to deal with, as is LLLReptile. you wanna ask the seller about an animal in particular if they know what they're selling you, make sure they tell you it's in good shape, eating, no visible parasites (mites arent too uncommon, and easily seen with the naked eye, as long as you look close enough), etc. i've had experiences of geckos dying the day after the guarantee was up, and i always got at least most of my money back after a bit of bickering. so continue in your research, and good luck.

Thanks alot everyones been really helpfull. Whats Michael Cole website or is he on the forum or what?

Thanks alot everyones been really helpfull. Whats Michael Cole website or is he on the forum or what?

check the classifieds then goto geckos

his business name is ballroom pythons i believe....

I would not recommend satanics. If you are going to try any of those for a first time, go with ebanaui. They are more forgiving but have similar requirements. I have both and can say that I spend more time worrying about the satanics than I do the ebanaui (which surprisingly breeds better for me too). Satanics seem to be the one animal that is good one minute but dead twenty minutes later.

anyways, good luck.

Jason