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This is female specimen. I also have F1 and F2, but with typical coloration.

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Ivan Arinin
Tula Exotarium
ICQ 151665951
Site: www.edione.narod.ru
E.g. guttata (many variations)
E.g. emoryi
E.g. rosacea

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54 (many variations)
E. bimaculata 4.3

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheimeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quadrivittata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quadrivittata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 1.1
O. t. friesi 1.1
O. t. ssp. Blue Beauty 1.1

Ivan,

That is a really nice looking snake but I don't think it is really amelanistic. The brown spotting/blotches are evidence that some melanin is being produced.

It could be some sort of tyrosinase positive albino (something that would be hard to prove without extensive chemical testing) or some sort of other form of hypomelanism.

I hope it turns out to breed true as it is a really neat snake.

Also, you might try and load your pics onto the kingsnake.com photo gallery before posting. The server they are on appears to be very slow. It took over a minute to load the 95KB picture on my fast connection. Anyone with a dial-up connection would take 5-10 minutes and wouldn't be able to see this cool animal.
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Chris Harrison

>>This is female specimen. I also have F1 and F2, but with typical coloration.
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Beautiful speciman, Ivan, but I agree with Chris, it looks hypomelanistic.

Will you be coming to the States this year? I would be interested in trading some snakes, etc. My South Korean dione have hatched and I'll post some pix later.

Thanks for the photo...TC.

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Hello all,

thanks for comments, friends!

This is good idea about loading foto to kingsnake fotogallery, i try do it. Also i move my site to new hosting, so you can visit it soon

In closer look this blotches is not brown, its seems like dark yellow. I look at this snake several days without delay and become lost. Eyes of this specimen is dark red, not black and coloration/pattern is more yellow, than brown! So, i think that chemical tests must be done before final conclusion. Chris, Terry, can you advice me literature sources in that i can learn more about tyrosinase positive amelanism? And, maybe, you know which tests exactly i must made?

Terry, i cant visit States in this year and, i fear, that i cant do it in future. Here is infinite problems - lack of money I will visit Snake Day in Amsterdam in this year, so you can meet me there.
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Ivan Arinin
Tula Exotarium
ICQ 151665951
Site: www.edione.narod.ru
E.g. guttata (many variations)
E.g. emoryi
E.g. rosacea

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54 (many variations)
E. bimaculata 4.3

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheimeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quadrivittata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quadrivittata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 1.1
O. t. friesi 1.1
O. t. ssp. Blue Beauty 1.1

>>In closer look this blotches is not brown, its seems like dark yellow. I look at this snake several days without delay and become lost. Eyes of this specimen is dark red, not black and coloration/pattern is more yellow, than brown! So, i think that chemical tests must be done before final conclusion. Chris, Terry, can you advice me literature sources in that i can learn more about tyrosinase positive amelanism? And, maybe, you know which tests exactly i must made?
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Ivan, it is thought that hypomelanism is just a form of amelanism anyway. IMO, there are various stages of amelanism, from true albino to just a reduction of melanin. I call my snakes that look somewhat like yours hypomelanistic because they are not "true" albinos. Anyway, yours is a beautiful snake whatever you call it, and it's up to you what you would like to call it. Different folks have different opinions.

>>Terry, i cant visit States in this year and, i fear, that i cant do it in future. Here is infinite problems - lack of money I will visit Snake Day in Amsterdam in this year, so you can meet me there.
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I would like to visit Snake Day, but I have some problems too. Besides the cost, I don't have the time, and also, it would be difficult for me to bring the snakes back into the U. S. A better plan would have an American who is already at the Snake Day pick up the snakes, and I would pay him for the service and pay you for the snakes. I hope this could work and hope you would save some of your het. for amel. for me. Thanks...Terry

Terry,

yep, i know it, but know nothing about T amelanism. This is sad for me, because i try to make some selection work. For some reasons i must know what is it, amel or hypo?

I also will get some tenebrosas from Altai, black, brown and dark cherry. So, this is only informational news, but i have some big hopes for its.

Yes, i know about USA problems, maybe it is right way, maybe not. Anyway, people must be free in their wishes for getting any what they want.

So, maybe you need contact with Wim Van de Belt and talk with him about available diones. He have some of them in stock, also you can tell him what you want from me. I expect tenebrosas, also i have several additional specimens of nigritas etc.

Ivan
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Ivan Arinin
Tula Exotarium
ICQ 151665951
Site: www.edione.narod.ru
E.g. guttata (many variations)
E.g. emoryi
E.g. rosacea

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54 (many variations)
E. bimaculata 4.3

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheimeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quadrivittata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quadrivittata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 1.1
O. t. friesi 1.1
O. t. ssp. Blue Beauty 1.1

Ivan,

Thanks for the info. I'll check with Wim for the dione.

Please contact me privately, as I have an article on amelanism/albinos I can send you. My email addy is tmcox(at)ratsnakehaven.com.

Terry

>>Terry,
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>>yep, i know it, but know nothing about T amelanism. This is sad for me, because i try to make some selection work. For some reasons i must know what is it, amel or hypo?
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>>I also will get some tenebrosas from Altai, black, brown and dark cherry. So, this is only informational news, but i have some big hopes for its.
>>
>>Yes, i know about USA problems, maybe it is right way, maybe not. Anyway, people must be free in their wishes for getting any what they want.
>>
>>So, maybe you need contact with Wim Van de Belt and talk with him about available diones. He have some of them in stock, also you can tell him what you want from me. I expect tenebrosas, also i have several additional specimens of nigritas etc.
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>>Ivan
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>>Ivan Arinin
>>Tula Exotarium
>>ICQ 151665951
>>Site: www.edione.narod.ru
>>E.g. guttata (many variations)
>>E.g. emoryi
>>E.g. rosacea
>>
>>E. persica black 3.4
>>E. persica brown 2.1
>>E. longissima 4.6
>>E. situla 3.3
>>E. dione 54 (many variations)
>>E. bimaculata 4.3
>>
>>E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
>>E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
>>E. o. lindheimeri Leucistic 1.2
>>E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
>>E. o. quadrivittata Deckerti 2.2
>>E. o. quadrivittata Williamsi 1.0
>>E. o. rossalleni 2.2
>>
>>Langaha madagascariensis 1.1
>>O. t. friesi 1.1
>>O. t. ssp. Blue Beauty 1.1

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